think our fortune turned? When shaun Mcrea left, when judas defected or even when Shane Richardson left to go home?

From a Roves fan....What the fuc& are you on about?

the weekend Judas left I'm afraid, the club hasn't been the same since (barring the short spell Matt Head was here)

whilst it was an unexpected thing to happen, the club should have rectified the problem by now

when Knocker left

When Bateson got injured in April (1960)

All three personally:S

When Swain retired the captaincy IMO.

Amen. Glad you dont have him now, may cause Murrell a few problems.

When judas left

never filled the void left by him at half back

When Terry Kirchin signed for the dobbins.

Although its a good question on paper,it is a question which cant be answered in reality.Our fortune didnt change in one foul swoop.

We suffered when richie Barnett and jason smith left under mcrae.But we made the best of it adapted what was still a good squad and did o.k.Our rugby style changed when shaun left and We again suffered when certain players supposedly started dictating terms to kear,causing a bit of a crisis but again rallied and recovered (temporarily i stress)under Sharp.We then suffered with the loss of swain and then cookie leaving us now grasping at straws to keep a team playing consistent good rugby.

move forward to our current predicament and youve still got the bare bones of a good squad but without the aforementioned pivotal inspirational,creative players and ball playing ethos from the coach to make the magic happen on a regular basis.Add to that the joke that is our board and you dont to find a specific moment when our fortune changed,it has been happening before our eyes since however far back you choose to go!

It was when we replaced mcrae with a worse coach. they've got progressively worse since. Mcrae isn't a great coach but he's much better than what we've had since. Suppose they've all been cheap though