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| I feel sorry for MA..
He’s in an impossible position at the moment….he’s had the least amount to spend on players , inherited some rubbish that was not of his choosing from previous seasons.if there’s a new backer coming in , it’s highly likely that they will want a new head coach, there’s little point in searching for a new coach until that happens…
His first team CV doesn’t look great… however let’s not forget he was instrumental in setting up the elite academy licence… he has a knack for bringing young players on… never before have we had so many players coming through from junior level..
If we end up under new management they’re likely to get someone else in … but I would be of a mind to think about his previous position and wether he would be prepared to take up that role again…
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| Quote ="Hopwood"If anyone has any doubt about how damaging relegation will be. ( unless you have a rick backer like Derek Beaumont) Try looking for a preview of this weekends Summer Bash. The big weekend for the championship. There is nothing in any of the daily newspapers. Nothing on the BBC sport rugby league pages and you have to scroll right down to the bottom of the Love Rugby League web site to see an article about the special shirts to be worn. How will we ever ger a major sponsor with that sort of lack of exposure to the general public.'"
I don't see anything relating to SL neither the whole sport is in a rut.
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| Quote ="Belle Vue"I feel sorry for MA..
He’s in an impossible position at the moment….he’s had the least amount to spend on players , inherited some rubbish that was not of his choosing from previous seasons.if there’s a new backer coming in , it’s highly likely that they will want a new head coach, there’s little point in searching for a new coach until that happens…
His first team CV doesn’t look great… however let’s not forget he was instrumental in setting up the elite academy licence… he has a knack for bringing young players on… never before have we had so many players coming through from junior level..
If we end up under new management they’re likely to get someone else in … but I would be of a mind to think about his previous position and wether he would be prepared to take up that role again…'"
This is exactly my thoughts. Even if a new owner doesn’t come in I suspect this will still happen and he will go back to a assistant.
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| The problem we have currently is the timing of the takeover, if it happens. As MC said, he is in the awkward position of continuing the business as usual until that happens but what he isnt going to do is sack the coach and bring in one that the new owner is not happy with. So until this deal goes through, or doesnt, I dont see a change happening.
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| Its obvious he's been instructed to play them,while its also obvious they dont want to play.Applegarths not a fool. He will know what a sh#tshow this season is and what its doing to his career the poor guys been given the brown end of the stick by the board who just want their cash out and leave without them putting owt else in
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| Quote ="Belle Vue"I feel sorry for MA..
He’s in an impossible position at the moment….he’s had the least amount to spend on players , inherited some rubbish that was not of his choosing from previous seasons.if there’s a new backer coming in , it’s highly likely that they will want a new head coach, there’s little point in searching for a new coach until that happens…
His first team CV doesn’t look great… however let’s not forget he was instrumental in setting up the elite academy licence… he has a knack for bringing young players on… never before have we had so many players coming through from junior level..
If we end up under new management they’re likely to get someone else in … but I would be of a mind to think about his previous position and wether he would be prepared to take up that role again…'"
Also got rid of the younger players in stupid swaps .,what left us playing 32 year old second row men in the .Ok he as got some old way past it players from Chester but Poaching overall with no money ,made far better signings
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| His problem is the coach took the king’s shilling (CEO) and despite what we all could see he is slowly killing any hope of being a SL coach in the future. The incumbents don’t really care because they are negotiating their own exits and I am sure the coach will not be in their considerations. He has served his purpose by taking on the job and accept the squad available which I doubt many other coach would have gone along with.
The bottom line will be he either walks or waits until a possible new investor takes over and hope they retain him in some coaching capacity but I doubt it will be the first team.
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| Quote ="alegend"Also got rid of the younger players in stupid swaps .,what left us playing 32 year old second row men in the Centre .Ok he as got some old way past it players from Chester but Poaching overall with no money ,made far better signings'" your judging him on his first team performances.Im not talking about him continuing in a first team role… buying and selling players, coaching .I’m talking about him doing his previous role, bringing the young players through..a role he was more comfortable with.
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| If you’re judging on 1st team performances, the defence against Catalans was an absolute disgrace. Absolute embarrassment we are.
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| We are one coach down,
The solutions simple Mash to asst and bring in a new man.
If mash doesn't want to play ball then sorry but bye.
Mash must understand that his opportunities are very limited with his record at the moment and are dwindling with every game he's in charge.
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| Quote ="Belle Vue"your judging him on his first team performances.Im not talking about him continuing in a first team role… buying and selling players, coaching .I’m talking about him doing his previous role, bringing the young players through..a role he was more comfortable with.'"
Not judging him on any thing . Any body with half a brain could see this was going to happen ,when they got rid of W Poaching to bring in a Academy Coach . Went because of player power not training them right .,So what is the excuse for Applegarth, The team can not tackel ,run , pass a ball bringing injured players to the squad If this is better coaching than what W Poaching was doing it is mind blowing what Poaching was up to
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| Quote ="alegend"Not judging him on any thing . Any body with half a brain could see this was going to happen ,when they got rid of W Poaching to bring in a Academy Coach . Went because of player power not training them right .,So what is the excuse for Applegarth, The team can not tackel ,run , pass a ball bringing injured players to the squad If this is better coaching than what W Poaching was doing it is mind blowing what Poaching was up to'"
It wasn’t working with Poching either. Other than a late season save it didn’t go very well at all. Obviously they have tried backing another coach but it hasn’t worked out and is looking like it might end up worse.
Poching is history. It’s not a Poching vs Apelgarth thing. It’s whether Apelgarth is ready. As it stands he’s not looking like he’s ready for a head coaches job. He needs to do more time as assistant and that’s no shame. He backed himself but we don’t always get things right.
I suspect we will have a new HC come in and Apelgarth revert to Youth/Assistsnt. Possibly in the off season.
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| Quote ="Trojan Horse"It wasn’t working with Poching either. Other than a late season save it didn’t go very well at all. Obviously they have tried backing another coach but it hasn’t worked out and is looking like it might end up worse.
Poching is history. It’s not a Poching vs Apelgarth thing. It’s whether Apelgarth is ready. As it stands he’s not looking like he’s ready for a head coaches job. He needs to do more time as assistant and that’s no shame. He backed himself but we don’t always get things right.
I suspect we will have a new HC come in and Apelgarth revert to Youth/Assistsnt. Possibly in the off season.'"
Sadly after we are relegated.
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| Anyone seen the photo of the "Applegarth Out" banner stuck up outside the Donny Rd entrance ??
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| It’s a form of protest against the current management of the club. Signs like the Donny road one were always going to appear the longer the losing run goes on.
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| Hard to see how you can protest the total crap that’s been served up this season. If you don’t go or withhold your money then it’s not helping the team . Allegedly the board don’t read social media so I personally sympathise the poster sentiments.
I don’t blame Applegarth for our woes but his inexperience sure isn’t helping matters.
Unfortunately the only way to change the performances is to sack him
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| This is a tough one for me. On the one hand something has to change and i dont think that MA has got the answers to change it. Unfortunately he is left shuffling a bad hand.
The off season signings have been dreadful, and the injury list in the backs again is horrendous.
I dont see a new coach changing things quickly enough to make a difference.
Luckily agent Miller is doing great work at Castleford, otherwise we would be relegated already.
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| Quote ="Trojan Horse"It wasn’t working with Poching either. Other than a late season save it didn’t go very well at all. Obviously they have tried backing another coach but it hasn’t worked out and is looking like it might end up worse.
Poching is history. It’s not a Poching vs Apelgarth thing. It’s whether Apelgarth is ready. As it stands he’s not looking like he’s ready for a head coaches job. He needs to do more time as assistant and that’s no shame. He backed himself but we don’t always get things right.
I suspect we will have a new HC come in and Apelgarth revert to Youth/Assistsnt. Possibly in the off season.'"
Too late by then
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| Quote ="Trojan Horse"It wasn’t working with Poching either. Other than a late season save it didn’t go very well at all. Obviously they have tried backing another coach but it hasn’t worked out and is looking like it might end up worse.
Poching is history. It’s not a Poching vs Apelgarth thing. It’s whether Apelgarth is ready. As it stands he’s not looking like he’s ready for a head coaches job. He needs to do more time as assistant and that’s no shame. He backed himself but we don’t always get things right.
I suspect we will have a new HC come in and Apelgarth revert to Youth/Assistsnt. Possibly in the off season.'"
"It didn't work with Poching either".
A 50% (ish) win ratio suggests otherwise to me.
"As it stands its looking like Applegarth isn't ready"
A 0% win ratio suggests to its not looking like it. It's absolutely nailed on.
Poching comes into the equation because we sacked him. Then replaced him with Applegarth. Who 1 man and his dog knew wasn't ready. I still to this day cannot comprehend the thought process beind this.
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| The indisputable fact is we have played 13 and lost 13. We are averaging 6 points per game which shows no sign of improving and unfortunately 29 points against. He can blame Ford for the failure in attack but unfortunately by the process of elimination he must be held at fault for our defensive frailties.
I would expect to see some progress but no we just do the same each week whichever team we pick. He said the return of Tanginoa would be the catalyst and now Jowitt but no nothing changes. We say Castleford are within reach which they are but does anyone actually believe we have three wins in us. It pains me to say that the incumbents and their quickly appointed coach have turned our great club into an on field joke. We are apparently not the worst team in SL history yet but the way it is going this is one record he could reach. What a legacy to finally relegate our great club on its 150 year anniversary coupled with 25 unbroken years in SL.
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| Quote ="Scarlet Pimpernell"The indisputable fact is we have played 13 and lost 13. We are averaging 6 points per game which shows no sign of improving and unfortunately 29 points against. He can blame Ford for the failure in attack but unfortunately by the process of elimination he must be held at fault for our defensive frailties.
I would expect to see some progress but no we just do the same each week whichever team we pick. He said the return of Tanginoa would be the catalyst and now Jowitt but no nothing changes. We say Castleford are within reach which they are but does anyone actually believe we have three wins in us. It pains me to say that the incumbents and their quickly appointed coach have turned our great club into an on field joke. We are apparently not the worst team in SL history yet but the way it is going this is one record he could reach. What a legacy to finally relegate our great club on its 150 year anniversary coupled with 25 unbroken years in SL.'"
To be honest it’s hard to disagree with any of that.
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| Quote ="marc271841""It didn't work with Poching either".
A 50% (ish) win ratio suggests otherwise to me.
"As it stands its looking like Applegarth isn't ready"
A 0% win ratio suggests to its not looking like it. It's absolutely nailed on.
Poching comes into the equation because we sacked him. Then replaced him with Applegarth. Who 1 man and his dog knew wasn't ready. I still to this day cannot comprehend the thought process beind this.'"
He got the push at the end of the season because the players were not happy…
I recall the senior players in our squad taking it upon themselves to more or less take things into their own hands to get the results…
Not quite sure how this came about . But something wasn’t right..
I remember tanganoa mentioning something about the training and how things had changed…at a pre season friendly interview he did
Now quite obviously things haven’t worked out….
This is just my opinion…. But I think MA is still in the head coach role until the new man takes over. I see little point in either appointing a head coach or an assistant for that matter until the take over stuff is sorted out…
He’s very likely to be replaced…but I’d like to think that he did a good job with the juniors …
The new man wants complete control.. so he will get to decide who’s doing what … it will be his to do with whatever he pleases.. where as mine is only an opinion!
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| Quote ="Scarlet Pimpernell"The indisputable fact is we have played 13 and lost 13. We are averaging 6 points per game which shows no sign of improving and unfortunately 29 points against. He can blame Ford for the failure in attack but unfortunately by the process of elimination he must be held at fault for our defensive frailties.
I would expect to see some progress but no we just do the same each week whichever team we pick. He said the return of Tanginoa would be the catalyst and now Jowitt but no nothing changes. We say Castleford are within reach which they are but does anyone actually believe we have three wins in us. It pains me to say that the incumbents and their quickly appointed coach have turned our great club into an on field joke. We are apparently not the worst team in SL history yet but the way it is going this is one record he could reach. What a legacy to finally relegate our great club on its 150 year anniversary coupled with 25 unbroken years in SL.'"
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