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| Quote ="kinleycat"This week if fit i'd go:
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Southern
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Raleigh/Washbrook/Trout.
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I think you have called it corrrectly and I'd go with your team. However I am convinced Collis is not fit he seemed to be struggling with his hamstring the whole of the second half . So it would be the same team but Mellors gets a game instead of Collis.
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| Quote ="jack in the box"I think you have called it corrrectly and I'd go with your team. However I am convinced Collis is not fit he seemed to be struggling with his hamstring the whole of the second half . So it would be the same team but Mellors gets a game instead of Collis.'"
You are correct Collis isn't fully fit. I understand that he hardly trained last week but did a lot of swimming instead.
I'd go with Kinley's/Your Team with Mellars in for Collis if he isn't fully fit but looking at Aiton at the end of the game I'd be surprised if he is fit.
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| Quote ="REDWHITEANDBLUE"FWIW I completely disagree with a lot of your rationale.
One things for sure I am enjoying my rugby this season unlike last. I havent seen a game yet where we have not been it most of the game. We havent had the rub of the green as yet. '"
I'm with you on this one. Despite the loss yesterday I expected a hammering and that wasn't the case. I noticed improvements from previous weeks and hope they can continue!
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| If Aiton and Collis both not fit then I'd go:
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Cockayne
John
Smith
Johnson
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Kirmond
Trout
Lauititi
Raleigh
Wood
Washbrook
I'm assuming that Amor will not be back for this, if he is then he goes in at prop with Johnson dropping to bench and Washbrook dropping out.
Ellis gets his chance then to show what he can do (which is what everyone seeems to be crying out for).
Washbrook seems to have gone quiet since the Cas friendly and I think LF is Trouts favoured position so give him a shot at it in a game where there is little expectation on us (can't imagine many will have us down for winning this one).
Walshaw gets more than 5 minutes (as quite frankly that was ridiculous yesterday).
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| Quote ="Fordy"I'm assuming that Amor will not be back for this'"
According to the man himself, he is expecting to be back next week.
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| Wouldn't be surprised if he got a run out with the u20's next week to get some game time under his belt first. He was deemed short of match practice before the first game, hence playing at Batley, so that will have got worse. Seems to be Agars way.
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| Aiton got a bad dead leg apparently and is doubtful for the Warrington game. Wouldn't bother risking him to be honest. I would give Ellis a go, he'll be desperate to show what he can do.
Do we know what the situation is with Matt James? Is he back here because he is injured?
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| Tim Smith has come up with some nice touches Johns is out of his depth at the minute. Smith and Wood to start next game. Or we could get Gareth Moore back and go with Wood and Moore lol.
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| Seriously I think if John Kear was in charge we would have won at least 3 of our games this year !
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| maybe, maybe not. Time to move on.
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| Who laid on Ben's 3 tries?
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| Quote ="supercat"Who laid on Ben's 3 tries?'"
'Out of his depth' Isaac John.
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| How many good in play kicks has he done? 1?
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| He took the line on a few times and helped clean up a few last tackle back plays. Set up a few. It was a good performance from John.
We just need to get both halfbacks firing. I think there is something in the smith /John partnership and it should be persisted with a while yet.
It's hooker where I would like to see a change and prop/ bodies permitting.
Ellis/ wildie - hooker.
Amor, Johnson to start... Wilkes/ raleigh to interchange.
Southern at prop is not doing any favours to the team despite him probably putting his hand up which Is commendable.
If anything southern looks like he needs a week off and that would benefit him greatly.
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I'm against wholesale changes but think these would benefit the team.
Walshaw at centre (Atkins centre) could be a good use of walshaws strong tackling.
Would like to see wildie get a bash on last weeks u20 performance while I feel wood was really targeted well by hudds in defence.
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| THE AGAR EFFECT IS KICKING IN, I WAS GUTTED TO SEE HIM LEAVE HULL
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| The sooner we rid of you the sooner this board will look clean me ole crab stick.
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| Quote ="newgroundb4cas"How many times has he taken the line on ? 0 ?'"
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| Quote ="Trojan Horse"He took the line on a few times and helped clean up a few last tackle back plays. Set up a few. It was a good performance from John.
We just need to get both halfbacks firing. I think there is something in the smith /John partnership and it should be persisted with a while yet.
It's hooker where I would like to see a change and prop/ bodies permitting.
Ellis/ wildie - hooker.
Amor, Johnson to start... Wilkes/ raleigh to interchange.
Southern at prop is not doing any favours to the team despite him probably putting his hand up which Is commendable.
If anything southern looks like he needs a week off and that would benefit him greatly.
Mathers
Fox
Walshaw
Mellars
Cockayne
John
Smith
Amor
Ellis
Johnson
Kirmond
Lauititi
Washbrook
Wildie
Wilkes
Raleigh
Moriano/trout
I'm against wholesale changes but think these would benefit the team.
Walshaw at centre (Atkins centre) could be a good use of walshaws strong tackling.
Would like to see wildie get a bash on last weeks u20 performance while I feel wood was really targeted well by hudds in defence.'"
Whilst I like the look of this side, I would be a little concerned with Walshaw opposite Atkins. Following his progress in the reserves I believe his lack of positional sense could leave him exposed. I agree Walshaw is big and strong and if Atkins is stupid enough to run straight at Walshaw I would back Walshaw every time, but he is not and Atkins has developed well as a centre and has good feet before collision which I (IMO) could cause Walshaw problems (I hope I would be wrong if he did play opposite him though).
I would also like to see young Slater thrown in the mix of players, in the reserves he is showing that he has a big engine with good defensive attributes. We are scoring points but unfortunately we are letting more in and thats got to stop. Slater has good tackle technique from initial contact to controlling the tackle to ground slowing down the PTB.
Overall I think we as supporters need to be patient with this team, there is too much talent for it not to eventually click. Dont forget we have had as many new faces as Widnes yet everyone seems to be giving them time to develop. Once they get used to each others style of play, I am sure we will be seeing some great results.
It would be nice though to pick up a few wins along the way though and send us home happy and that not just being from the beer
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| We can field who we like, we won't beat Wire at their place when they are fresh from a loss, and let's face it, not many teams would. For me, it's the home game against Catalan, and the London and Cas games where we should be hoping to pick up points. If we come out of Easter without a win, and that is possible if we blow the Cas game (because what do you bet that London start to come good), it is looking very grim for us.
I can live with the fact that things aren't gelling yet, but what is frustrating is that the problems are what we have been saying all along: no grunt up front and no goal kicker. That comes down to bad recruitment. What worries me is that some of the teams around us have started to show some form over a few games, and all we have shown is a good second half at Widnes.
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| atkins is big and strong, and gets many more chances at warrington than he did at wakefield once we lost solomona. i was really dissapointed with him against leeds at the weekend, he seems easy to steer towards the touchline, from where he usually flings the ball in field wildly.
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| Quote ="TURFEDOUT"Agar:
Baffling use of interchanges(Trout & Walshaw)effectively played those games with only 16 men.
Appears not to want to make changes unless forced by injury,even though some players form doesnt merit selection,eg Mellars.
Distinct lack of any attacking moves.
Team:
Too many appear devoid of any real passion.
Tim Smith:
Will you stop turning the ball back on the inside,its boring and predictable and maybe try and take the line on a bit more.
Andy Raleigh:
It maybe an idea to run onto the ball,rather than go from a standing start.
Danny Washbrook:
What exactly does he offer from a pivotal position?Or is he just a mate of Agars?
It seems to me that the heart and soul have been ripped out of the team and replaced by a group of players that appear content to just turn up and take their money.
Agar needs to show some bottle and make changes after 4 defeats on the bounce.Players from the u20s need to know they will get an opportunity to stake a claim --- not a token 5 minutes like Walshaw got today.'"
I know this won't be at all comforting, but these were all staples of Agar's tenure at Hull. And if he remains consistent with his selection policy during his time with us, I don't see the latter point happening any time soon. I don't think he ever made an unforced change to the team lineup in all 4 years.
With the points about Smith/Raleigh/Washbrook I'd therefore try not to be too damning of them individually. The same faults were true of multiple players for us, some of whom have been seen to do better, so it really does seem to be a coaching issue (although when with us all Agar ever used to spout in post match interviews was that players had gone away from the gameplan, which becomes hard to swallow when the performances are consistently of the same nature but they retain their places).
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