To a certain extent it doesn't seem to matter which 17 is playing. They all play with the same philosphy, 'hunger, desire, determination and pride for one another'.

This is the best squad i can remember following coupled with the best coach and backroom team. All i ask is the lads continue to play the game with the same heart and desire currently on show and i'll be happy whatever the result and position we finish.

Probably agree, with the exception of swapping Gleeson for Martin at centre, with Martin going to stand-off and Rooney out of the squad until he performs consistently at the level he is capable of.

I understand peoples reservations on Rooney but last year when we were at our best he played a magnificent supporting roll to Danny Brough.

He proved to be the perfect stand off foil to Broughs more prominent playmaking roll as scrum half.

I think on form and fully fit he is still our best stand off.

Agreed Sam Obst for me at No 6. Tony Martin back where he belongs at centre.

Not just before the game it was Thursday.

A Hull fana fter game moaning about there injuries, we have had out fair share and still missing some important players. It's great to see Drew and Brough playing well as with all the team.

Big reason behind that is because we did not make too many changes in the off season!

If the past 3 games can not get our "supporters" to show up against Wigan I don't know what will

we have just won 3 on the bounce, are 7 from 10........this is with Martin at 6! That is his best postion for us!

No offence to Sam, but he is a better 9, and even then with a fully fit squad would not make my 17.....would have Drew and Latu......two world class players in my view, which Sam is not.

Re Rooney, well where do you start!??? He is consistatly uncosistant!!!! He has not performed well since we made the play offs, and l am now starting to think he is little more than average at best.........is he in the last year of his contract??? If so l can see us letting him go, and l think that will be the best action for both him and the club............this is all IMHO!

But hey, its great to be having this debate!!! Shows our squad strenght!

Agreed, I can't see Martin going back to the centre TBH he is playing too good at 6, long may this form continue!

I would say keep Martin at 6 but our sucker punch last night came from switching Grix to Stand Off. Hard to say really. Martin looked a bit slow last night and didn't look like creating anything or getting through the gap, not to take away from his assets which come from smart positioning and distribution and a clever boot - his experience gives him a wise rugby league brain.

Difficult! But that's a good thing!

Sorry but Latu is not world class. Although I like him before Drew came on in second half last night he dropped the ball and gave away a penalty. That's 12 tackles to them. Last year away at wigan he dropped the ball twice and gave away two penalties in quick succession that's 24 tackles to them. This year he is playing a very simple direct game which has been successful.

If I were going to use Latu in the 17 it would be as an interchange for JD.
Latu would get 20 mins at the most and JD would be saved for a big final quarter or even the next game if we were in a winning position.

indeed. no way should latu be in there at the expense of obst; although a fan of his initially he doesn't seem to be adding a great deal to the overall performances of late. to be fair he's not being helped by drew's abiltity to perform at a high level for long periods of the match which means his game time has been very limited

What no hendo????? Surely an oversight!!!!!

Players dropping balls and giving away penalties.....really!!!???

Come off it.......every single player does that..........its what the players offer in between the mistakes, thats what matters.

How many tries has Sam made with his little kicks/darts from dummy half?? takes the ball up when nobody else wants it and tackles when nobody else seems to want to..Sam would be my second name on the team sheet after JD, a grafter who doesnt know when to stop..

Sam, like JD, epitomises all that is great about our team - brave, relentless, all heart.

I wish I could say the same about Leo-Latu but after watching the higher level of performance he put in for his country in the WC I don't think he has the same level of commitment to the team.

lol @ TLL in the team in front of Sam

WHAT ABOUT HENDO. He always puts in more than he receives.

maybe so but who out of that lot would he replace? not JD, wilkes, moore, scully, pitts, ferg, snitch or stosic imo

He created a try and made a break!

TLL aint up to shining Sammys boots let alone taking his place. Its all about opinions but TLL over Sammy is very left field for me.

Quite!! Do we need an orange chopperupper???

my thoughts Excactly.

Martin's had some really good games at s/o but is a class centre which were highlighted on Fri night when he was switched there from s/o. And as for Obst being a better No. 9 it would be interesting to hear your thoughts on that. Nowadays with uncontested scrums a hooker is just terminology and the contribution Sam makes is not from the hooking role.

When did Latu become world class




Sam would be very close to first in my 17 every time.


Agreed it is, we all see it differently and it does show how well things are going.

not the best in defence teams target him