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| Quote ="bellycouldtackle"Still find it hard to understand why Wigan would loan Rocky Hampshire to Cas. Wigan and Cas will compete for a top four place, it may be that Cas finish in top 4 at the expense of Wigan, why loan one of the most gifted players of his generation to a team you are likely to compete with. Rocky would have been brilliant for us and we would never be a problem for Wigan.'" Michael Carter tried his best to sign ryan wigan ultimately say where hes off.
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| Wingers coming in and getting done on the outside has been symptomatic at Trinity for quite some time regardless of who plays there or who coaches the team. Clearly the better teams are able to suck the defensive line into the middle which creates the overlap leaving the isolated winger with a choice of leaving a gap on the inside or on the outside. They're screwed either way. As Avenger and others have said the damage was done before the ball got to the flanks.
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| Quote ="asmadasa"Sorry my entry was poorly typed. I meant Walton has impressed so far and although didn't play yesterday may be in contention for a starting centre position when the season starts...
Lynne had a decent game against Cas didn't he? Scored a try and stopped a certain one on opposite wing hold one up over the line?'"
I've not been to any of the friendlies but the reports coming back about Lynne seem positive. they all get a clean slate with me but he was one who needed big improvements this year.
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| Quote ="wakefieldwall"I've not been to any of the friendlies but the reports coming back about Lynne seem positive. they all get a clean slate with me but he was one who needed big improvements this year.'"
Although he would be everyone's favourite scapegoat, he's been our most consistent player in the pre season games.
Trinity "fan's" always need a couple of players to blame when things go wrong and for whatever reason he, wrongly, is top of most peoples list.
With the squad that we have at the moment, it looks like he will be playing on the wing and may well be our top try scorer this season.
With no Washbrook in the squad, who will the fans blame if/when we lose
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| I agree about Lyne. He has shown up well in the preseason.
I prefer him at wing as he really doesn't have the confidence to pass under pressure at centre.
He is a fast guy and a metre gainer on kick returns and a physically strong player.
He needs to practise the high ball based on previous outings but that isn't a big flaw particularly.
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"Although he would be everyone's favourite scapegoat, he's been our most consistent player in the pre season games.
Trinity "fan's" always need a couple of players to blame when things go wrong and for whatever reason he, wrongly, is top of most peoples list.
With the squad that we have at the moment, it looks like he will be playing on the wing and may well be our top try scorer this season.
With no Washbrook in the squad, who will the fans blame if/when we lose
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I'm not one for targeting players for grief, just think with Lynne he went backwards last year and if he doesn't pick up this year he won't reach his potential. We don't have space for passengers when every game is a struggle.
Could never understand the attitude towards Danny Washbrook, got my vote for player of the season last year.
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"With no Washbrook in the squad, who will the fans blame if/when we lose
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Edited................I'm not even letting you start that derailment Tigerade. Leave it alone. Poptart
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| So you would leave Lynne out who was our best three quarter on Sunday?
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| Quote ="thebeagle"So you would leave Lynne out who was our best three quarter on Sunday?'"
I was saying that despite being our best player, people were still on his back, desperate for him to fail, which is just plain bizarre and as we appear to have more options at centre, he looks like having the left wing position for some time.
Atm he will be Smith's first pick in the backs and rightly so.
What I cant understand is that some "fans" want him to make mistakes, just so that they have an easy target.
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| I'd like to see Walton given ago along side Johnstone. Walton is strong in defence and quite quick for a big lad.
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5. Lyne
Although, as much as BJB wants the FB spot. I'm still undecided as to whether this is his ideal position.
For me, I feel safer when a high ball goes up & Jordan Tansey is there, but we shall see how he goes.
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| I think the fact that Lyne has scored 2 tries is papering over the cracks. His general play is e. He scored a good individual effort against Featherstone and a walk in vs Cas. Looks no different to the Reece Lyne I saw last year. He is a lot slower than he used to be and he trundles about and seems to do everything very slowly with no aggression/physicality and tends to run lateral. If the last two friendlies are good/decent performances by his standards from people's comments on here then it goes to show how much we expect from a winger.
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| Quote ="Adam_Harrison9"I think the fact that Lyne has scored 2 tries is papering over the cracks. His general play is poop. He scored a good individual effort against Featherstone and a walk in vs Cas. Looks no different to the Reece Lyne I saw last year. He is a lot slower than he used to be and he trundles about and seems to do everything very slowly with no aggression/physicality and tends to run lateral. If the last two friendlies are good/decent performances by his standards from people's comments on here then it goes to show how much we expect from a winger.'"
Have you actually been watching the pre season games ?
Either he's doing ok or being protected by his centre as we haven't conceded anything down his wing.
You say that he's doing stuff slowly but, he certainly found the line twice and the score at Cas was very well taken, with the "assist" landing on his boot laces.
I think that you may be one of the people who have him at the top of your "scapegoat" list ?
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"Have you actually been watching the pre season games ?
Either he's doing ok or being protected by his centre as we haven't conceded anything down his wing.
You say that he's doing stuff slowly but, he certainly found the line twice and the score at Cas was very well taken, with the "assist" landing on his boot laces.
I think that you may be one of the people who have him at the top of your "scapegoat" list ?'"
Actually yes. Please tell me what Lyne did well. Happy to hear.
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"Have you actually been watching the pre season games ?
Either he's doing ok or being protected by his centre as we haven't conceded anything down his wing.
You say that he's doing stuff slowly but, he certainly found the line twice and the score at Cas was very well taken, with the "assist" landing on his boot laces.
I think that you may be one of the people who have him at the top of your "scapegoat" list ?'"
Sorry dude but I picked passes that low off my laces in the U7s. Why is it that if anyone says anything negative about any player on here it makes them a 'scapegoat'. I'm not saying it's Lyne's fault for our loss, therefore not a scapegoat. Have a word fella.
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| Quote ="W.T.W"I'd like to see Walton given ago along side Johnstone. Walton is strong in defence and quite quick for a big lad.
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5. Lyne
Although, as much as BJB wants the FB spot. I'm still undecided as to whether this is his ideal position.
For me, I feel safer when a high ball goes up & Jordan Tansey is there, but we shall see how he goes.'"
Johnstone and BJB on the wing would be pretty mouthwatering, the problem is we don't have a centre capable of putting either of them away.
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| Quote ="Adam_Harrison9"Actually yes. Please tell me what Lyne did well. Happy to hear.'"
Cant recall any missed tackles and scored a decent try, which is enough in a trial game 2 weeks before the season kicks
off, all in a game where we got smashed.
Not brilliant, but enough and certainly not deserving of the stick that he was getting from some fans.
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"Don't think that you will win any prediction competitions with that prophecy.
We are all expecting bottom 4 but, not tailed off last (with just 6 points in the regular season)
If we are competitive and making progress, most fans will be happy(ish)
I don't think anyone really thinks we will be in the top 8.'"
My comments were based on expecting a lot better with the signings you have made and I just didn't see the spark coming from anywhere in the team.
The least that should be done is to organise so that on the 5th tackle, Miller gives another option for a different play, instead of just expecting Finn to create something with a kick.
Unfortunately Finn can be one dimensional and you need some variation from somewhere. If not from Miller, then where?
On Sunday your forwards just didn't seem to be able to make yards or a half break to pass the ball to a supporting player and it becomes predictable, allowing the opposition to stifle you.
Without at least some set plays that may or may not come off, you will be doing a lot of defending (and not very well if Sunday was anything to go by)
I really don't want to see you in the bottom 4, especially not tailed off last but if you start off the seasons with a couple of drubbings, that's where you may finish up.
Lets hope that you find some enthusiasm and spark so that we have 2 competitive teams and good derby games.
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"Cant recall any missed tackles and scored a decent try, which is enough in a trial game 2 weeks before the season kicks
off, all in a game where we got smashed.
Not brilliant, but enough and certainly not deserving of the stick that he was getting from some fans.'"
Also not beaten in the air once by Joel Monaghan.
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| Quote ="sarge1"My comments were based on expecting a lot better with the signings you have made and I just didn't see the spark coming from anywhere in the team.
The least that should be done is to organise so that on the 5th tackle, Miller gives another option for a different play, instead of just expecting Finn to create something with a kick.
Unfortunately Finn can be one dimensional and you need some variation from somewhere. If not from Miller, then where?
On Sunday your forwards just didn't seem to be able to make yards or a half break to pass the ball to a supporting player and it becomes predictable, allowing the opposition to stifle you.
Without at least some set plays that may or may not come off, you will be doing a lot of defending (and not very well if Sunday was anything to go by)
I really don't want to see you in the bottom 4, especially not tailed off last but if you start off the seasons with a couple of drubbings, that's where you may finish up.
Lets hope that you find some enthusiasm and spark so that we have 2 competitive teams and good derby games.'"
That's a lot to take out of a warm-up game; what did you make of how we dealt with the all conquering Leeds side a couple of weeks ago?
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| Quote ="bren2k"That's a lot to take out of a warm-up game; what did you make of how we dealt with the all conquering Leeds side a couple of weeks ago?'"
I cant really comment because I didn't see it.
I do think however that warm up games / friendlies, are generally used to gauge the team's status with such a short time to the start of the season and to try out training ground moves, but there was only one team that looked anywhere near ready - and it wasn't Wakefield.
The title of this thread is 'no fire in the bellies' and if Sunday's performance is anything to go by, that is an accurate description.
As stated, let's hope for a lot better when it really matters.
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| Quote ="sarge1"I cant really comment because I didn't see it.
I do think however that warm up games / friendlies, are generally used to gauge the team's status with such a short time to the start of the season and to try out training ground moves, but there was only one team that looked anywhere near ready - and it wasn't Wakefield.
The title of this thread is 'no fire in the bellies' and if Sunday's performance is anything to go by, that is an accurate description.
As stated, let's hope for a lot better when it really matters.'"
The fact that you keep referring to Wakfeild as YOU rather than US, would suggest it's not a worry for you.
We all seem to be ok with it so I can't see the issue.
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| If I was a coach, with a team of limited skills, the last thing I'd want is my team going all out in a friendly, showing all our planned moves to the opposition. And I think BS has this in mind.
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| Yes and bare in mind the statement by BS in the express a few weeks back where he told Finn to put his kicking game on the back burner and experiment with his (BS) own ideas, hope this does not backfire as his is a pivotal role and is instrumental in getting the team into an attacking position.
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| Quote ="PopTart"The fact that you keep referring to Wakfeild as YOU rather than US, would suggest it's not a worry for you.
We all seem to be ok with it so I can't see the issue.'"
I'm a Rugby League fan and was commenting on what I saw at Sunday's game.
I didn't start the thread, merely passing my opinion and agreeing with the title, which suggests that you ALL are not OK with it?
If however you don't welcome the views of others on here, then so be it.
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| Quote ="JINJER"If I was a coach, with a team of limited skills, the last thing I'd want is my team going all out in a friendly, showing all our planned moves to the opposition. And I think BS has this in mind.
I hope you're right but my gut feeling is that you might be a bit naïve in that thought.
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