Yes it does, but that has the support of over 15,000 residents opposed to the generic letters which hold the support of 200 people at best.

That's before you consider the amount of "non-generic" letters received. I think it's pretty obvious who win's that one too.

Nice try though mate.

Errr, no, not really the same at all!

The SWAG petition was to petition Wakefield MDC and was therefore a political petition. I am sure that TRB will agree it was meant to do nothing more than to highlight to the members of Wakefield MDC how many people 'support' the principal of a new ground for Wakefield at Newmarket. That is what all petitions are really for, to be honest. Many of the same people who signed that petition will have written letters of support as part of the formal planning process I suspect. The only time I have seen TRB and other members of SWAG come back with the 15,000 + people supporting a new ground at Newmarket is in defending the argument used against them that the total number of planning objection highlight that more people object to the ground than want it. I don't think anyone has used the petition to claim that there are effectively 15,000 + unique letters of support to the planning process at any stage.

I think you might find that once the total number of unique formal letters of support are added up (as most of these types of letters, by there very nature, are unique) versus the number of unique formal objection letters that the gap between the two is smaller than you might think... if of course planning indeed was a measuring contest... which it isn't!

In line with AI's previous statements regarding NM a new spatial policy review has been added today.
Like AI said they still cite a few issues but in now way object- especially in relation to the issue of Green belt this is very good news. The only issue they state as concerning that matches NIMBY arguments is waste water- an issue which is fundamental and must be resolved with the submission of the final application.

The report does signal that additional information is required, but that in essence is the point of an outline application.
This will be another key document for the report to draw upon, so fingers crossed for positive news next Friday with it's publication. We will all be able to sleep a lot easier knowing the report recommends the approval of the application.

Just a quick question AI;

If the NIMBY's lost at the outline stages could they contest their objections at the final stage using the same/similar points of objection? Or does OPP set a precedent in terms of points the raised being valid or not?

Firstly TRB has added the petition to the Planning portal. And secondly I have no idea what the gap between the two is. oh and who started with the measuring contest errrm oh yeah it was you. While I have you attention, you come on here making out your some prophet of wisdom, when all you have done is repeated what is already out in the public domain, oh yeah and this thread is a classic I bet nobody had thought of writing to their councillors.

Hi all,

Can I ask what the position is regarding the ecological concerns that were recently posted, have they been addressed now ?

All the best on the 22nd and hope that both clubs can move forward with the stadia and secure bright futures.

A new wild flower meadow has replaced the proposed office units.
Several new ponds have been added to house surface water overflow and relocate existing wetland amphibious creators to.
The existence of a present Otter population is unproven and it is highly likely if the population does exist they have adequate areas to relocate to down river. It may very well be the case that the inclusion of the wild flower meadow would increase wildlife populations on the site in the long run.

IMO the site will be much improved in all aspects.

If you mean he has written to WMDC and then they have added this as supporting information on the planning portal, well yes, he has 'added it'... I would have done if I had 15,000 people who had signed a petition, wouldn't you!!! What is your point? He and the petition are not claiming that 15,000 support the planning application, it is what it is, 15,000 people who support the principal of a new stadium on the Newmarket site and it has been submitted as supporting evidence. If the key residents leading the objection campaign had a 15,000 petition of people not wanting something built on the land they would equally have submitted it... given the nature of the campaigning by some of them so far!

You are right, I have no idea either what you think either, it was just a slightly badly constructed rhetorical statement. My opinion is that it will not be a massive gap, you have not told me your opinion, but please do if you would like?

I would very distressed if any key procedure, such as the planning process, of a democratic governed nation was not in the public domain otherwise it would be highly contradictory and not really a democracy now would it! Again, what is your point? When people ask questions I use my 20 years experience of working within the construction industry and my first hand knowledge of the planning process to endeavour to answer those questions where possible. When sometimes I am unsure I say so, don't answer at all, or look things up (isn't Google just bloody great!) and then answer. I don't claim to be anything other than exactly what I am! I am not a planning consultant or professional but the nature of my involvement within the industry has given me a level of knowledge that I am happy to share with people who post on here... I did think that this was sort of the idea of these forums? If I am wrong I can only apologise!

If you don't like this thread, you don't have to post on it, once again it is what it is... you might think I am stating the obvious, others don't and may find it a useful prompt and this thread is supposed to be nothing more than that. You are entitled to your opinion, and mine and other people theirs, funny that know body else agreed with you about this thread so far, but that is your opinion! I assume therefore that you found the flyers sent out and commercial distributed by Wakefield CCG and W.A.R. to also be 'stating the bleeding obvious' by asking people to write the planning office, their councillors and local MP? In fact the standard objection letters and e-mails that currently make up a large proportion of the objections uploaded on the planning portal must really get your goat eh... some people don't only have to be told who to write to, just in case that is too hard, why not use this example we made earlier... saves you all the hassle and time of forming your own opinion, just use the one I have for you! Genius!

Finally talking of opinions, when I am commenting on issues I do generally state if something is my opinion by using phrases such as, in my opinion or, my experience previously has been etc. You should try it! After all, the thing is, the reason that I am behind this application and development is that I have formed my own opinion, ok much of that comes from experience as well, but you can't hold that against me. I don't have any other agenda, I don't support Wakefield Trinity but I do watch RL and therefore support the sport as a whole, I don't have any commercial interests in the project (and doubt I will have, but if I ultimatley do have opportunities within the development, it will be after this application has been granted), I am just a local resident who is standing up for what he beleives in, I am pro-development generally (I choose to work in the Construction for gods sake!) but I also work in a sector of the industry that champions green, environmentally friendl,y sustainable and fully traceable construction practises.

Are you feeling a little nervous BTW, you seem to be?

Sorry, and who are you again?

I don't know why you bother getting into it with him/her, they don't give a monkeys about Rugby League or Wakefield.

The council are apparently not planning on any capital spend on sports facilities in the next five years or so, so this scheme is ideal for them, in more ways than one.

Excellent point Catwoman1,that seems to have been overlooked by some.

Can you imagine approaching Sport England for a grant for insulating pensioners lofts.

Question for TRB please. On the other Cas Forum they seem to infer that a piece of land to the value of GBP 2m has been given to them to sell - apparently they were given an initial piece of land but it had too many planning restrictions so they were given the alternative.

My question is, I thought the land was only to borrow money against not to sell, has this changed.

Oh and a second question are the Community Trust still being given the same as Cas?

It may be that Cas have negotiated an improved position, but I would see that as being a good thing for us, as we could then use the 'equal' bit to our advantage for once! I think that answers both questions - sort of!

Cleaned and trashed.

Carry on

If you've not sent an email of support for Newmarket to your local councillor get it done, only takes 5 mins, In under weeks its the most important date in the clubs proud history, everybody needs to do their bit.

TRINITY FOREVER

I got some very positive responses from Cllrs Manifield and Cummins.

What did they say?

KEEP THEM COMING FOLKS NOT LONG NOW UNTIL FRIDAY !!!!

I've had replies from David Hopkins and Monica Graham. David is on the Planning Committee so was unable to comment but Monica said she was very much in support of the development. If all the Conservitive members on the Committee feel the same we are about half way to a positive outcome.

I got a reply from Susan Lodge saying that the Conservative Group supported the application. This was in addition to earlier replies I'd had from the two Labour Councillors I mentioned in an earlier post.

I'm unable to make it on Friday. There's no way I could get time off.
Could always bring the class down???


Not really the look we're going for!!

beg to differ, on the day we had was outside protesting outside the town hall a local school fetch a classroom of kids down that day, well behaved as well

I believe we have a plan Snowmeister, will text tomoz.

I'd honestly love to and if I were teaching in Wakefield I would have pushed for more than my class to attend. But as I'm out in Rhinoland I don't think the head would agree!

OT: TBF Most kids are well behaved and ordinarily even children with behavioural issues tend to "magically" improve outside the school/classroom setting.