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| Quote ="alegend"Deal is done for rocky'"
Who says? Want it to be true but want more than rumour.
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| Quote ="sandcat20"Who says? Want it to be true but want more than rumour.'"
There's something in League express tomorrow. Digital copy will be out soon and someone with access will spill the beans
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| Quote ="wakefieldwall"There's something in League express tomorrow. Digital copy will be out soon and someone with access will spill the beans
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Says he is looking at other options as the clubs valuation doesn’t match his/his agents. No issues with club, his agent appreciates we have a budget to work to
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| Quote ="Tricky2309"Says he is looking at other options as the clubs valuation doesn’t match his/his agents. No issues with club, his agent appreciates we have a budget to work to'"
Be interesting which club could offer him the halfback role, potentially playing in the top half of the league in a settled squad. I wonder if he's waiting to see who gets promoted like Toronto. I don't know who they've got signed up for the halves next season but they might be able to offer more, but at what cost to his development I wonder and if he doesn't start well how quickly will they move on etc, or is he willing to take a back up role at another SL Club but for more money. Who knows hey.
Leaving what he gets paid to one side, which tbh to the fan is irrelevant, this is the first club he's settled at in his favourite position and would be starting there next season. It would be a shame imo for him to not to at least get another year under his belt here, if that deal is possible, then go to market after that in a stronger position if he wanted to.
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| Kevin Brown to Toronto is the rumour this side of the big hill! And thats from a ex pro!
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| Quote ="alegend"Deal is done for rocky'"
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| Quote ="Shifty Cat"Be interesting which club could offer him the halfback role, potentially playing in the top half of the league in a settled squad. I wonder if he's waiting to see who gets promoted like Toronto. I don't know who they've got signed up for the halves next season but they might be able to offer more, but at what cost to his development I wonder and if he doesn't start well how quickly will they move on etc, or is he willing to take a back up role at another SL Club but for more money. Who knows hey.
Leaving what he gets paid to one side, which tbh to the fan is irrelevant, this is the first club he's settled at in his favourite position and would be starting there next season. It would be a shame imo for him to not to at least get another year under his belt here, if that deal is possible, then go to market after that in a stronger position if he wanted to.'"
It’s certainly a shame but we have a limited budget and MC has worked wonders to date so we have to back his judgement.
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| Quote ="cheshirecat57"Kevin Brown to Toronto is the rumour this side of the big hill! And thats from a ex pro!'"
League express is also linking them with Joe Mellor from Widnes
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| Quote ="Tricky2309"League express is also linking them with Joe Mellor from Widnes'"
He's linked with warrington and saints
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| I trust MC to make the right decision for the club. If Rocky is wanting more money than we can afford then it's obviously no deal.
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| Quote ="Daddycool"Who with??'"
Head in the sand time! From alegend
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| Quote ="Scarlet Pimpernell"Drinkwater leaving Catalan because they have signed Smith and we cannot agree terms with Hampshire’s agent. It would appear we have one we cannot sign and one whose value is higher than ours'"
Drinkwater could be first signing for furner according to catalans forum.
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| Quote ="Tricky2309"It’s certainly a shame but we have a limited budget and MC has worked wonders to date so we have to back his judgement.'"
No doubt on all fronts.
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| Quote ="wakeytrin"I trust MC to make the right decision for the club. If Rocky is wanting more money than we can afford then it's obviously no deal.'"
absolutely spot on. To be honest, if he's been offered a deal it will be what MC and CC have decided he is worth AND what the club can afford!
The likes of Tom Johnstone and others know our limitations but obviously more than money was a consideration to them. If that commitment can't be made by Ryan then he is obviously not for us, which is sad because I do rate him.
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| Quote ="Trinity1315" If that commitment can't be made by Ryan then he is obviously not for us, which is sad because I do rate him.'"
Well if Ryan Hampshire is seeking pastures new, then I think this one sentence sums up the whole of this thread.
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| Quote ="Prince Buster"Well if Ryan Hampshire is seeking pastures new, then I think this one sentence sums up the whole of this thread.'"
This advice we both remember from the Ted days is this clubs eternal problem. We can build a team so far then we simply run out of cash, mainly because good form does not relate to good gates in our case and as the talents of players we recruit cheap become recognised we can’t update as many deals as we really need to move on.
MC is the best yet but there is a limit. The amount needed to keep Rocky is probably quite small but balanced over the needs of the squad it just isn’t there, it’s really frustrating.
Until the ground is sorted or the Wakefield public respond we are simply stuffed.
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| I would very like to think that player, club and agent can meet up, sit down and work a deal out that is satisfactory to all concerned. MC and his coaching staff know that they have a gem of a player, he is the best player of his generation, I think that you can make a strong argument that he is the best British 7, he is yards quicker and a better defender than Gale, he is better that Richardson whose defense is not a patch on Rocky`s , Brough is finished. Rocky is getting better and better each week and that is from a high quality starting point. Add to that his goal kicking is the best in the league and will alone win you 4 or 5 matches a season. The player is a Wakey lad, he has waited for his chance to prove to , shall we say an initially reluctant coach that he is the first choice No 7, he knows that if a deal can be done he will be playing SL at 7 every week and as a result I suggest that he will force his way into the England / GB 7 shirt. All he needs is the chance to play 7 every week and Wakefield will give him that chance. Rocky and Miller as a pair will be the faster half backs in the league, playing together week in week out will result in a devastating half back partnership. Rocky has everything in his game. His agent needs a happy client, he has to advise re the balance of job satisfaction and financial security. My thoughts are that all three parties know that signing for Trinity is the best move for all, and if they were all sat together surely a deal can and should be sorted.
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| Quote ="vastman"This advice we both remember from the Ted days is this clubs eternal problem. We can build a team so far then we simply run out of cash, mainly because good form does not relate to good gates in our case and as the talents of players we recruit cheap become recognised we can’t update as many deals as we really need to move on.
MC is the best yet but there is a limit. The amount needed to keep Rocky is probably quite small but balanced over the needs of the squad it just isn’t there, it’s really frustrating.
Until the ground is sorted or the Wakefield public respond we are simply stuffed.'"
Agreed,
However we both know that life moves on, as they say one player leaving is a new opportunity for someone else. I'll back the clubs judgement with this one and hope Ryan leaving is no great loss.
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| Quote ="bellycouldtackle"I would very like to think that player, club and agent can meet up, sit down and work a deal out that is satisfactory to all concerned. MC and his coaching staff know that they have a gem of a player, he is the best player of his generation, I think that you can make a strong argument that he is the best British 7, he is yards quicker and a better defender than Gale, he is better that Richardson whose defense is not a patch on Rocky`s , Brough is finished. Rocky is getting better and better each week and that is from a high quality starting point. Add to that his goal kicking is the best in the league and will alone win you 4 or 5 matches a season. The player is a Wakey lad, he has waited for his chance to prove to , shall we say an initially reluctant coach that he is the first choice No 7, he knows that if a deal can be done he will be playing SL at 7 every week and as a result I suggest that he will force his way into the England / GB 7 shirt. All he needs is the chance to play 7 every week and Wakefield will give him that chance. Rocky and Miller as a pair will be the faster half backs in the league, playing together week in week out will result in a devastating half back partnership. Rocky has everything in his game. His agent needs a happy client, he has to advise re the balance of job satisfaction and financial security. My thoughts are that all three parties know that signing for Trinity is the best move for all, and if they were all sat together surely a deal can and should be sorted.'"
Well if he's as good as you are suggesting, then we can't afford to keep him can we?! I think he needs to play at 7 for 2 or 3 seasons before he can be judged properly. He still has bags of potential, and has been great since he was given the gig at scrum half properly for an extended run, and no doubt his stock has gone up. Still lots of rumours as to who's going where next year, but if we can't keep him I don't see us falling in a heap next season, and i'm not sure there's a place for him at one of the perceived top 4 clubs next season. So does he go to a team who finished below us, for possibly more money???
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| Quote ="bellycouldtackle"he is the best player of his generation, I think that you can make a strong argument that he is the best British 7, he is yards quicker and a better defender than Gale, he is better that Richardson whose defense is not a patch on Rocky`s , Brough is finished'"
The last sentence is correct - the rest is hyperbole or patently untrue; Gale is by far the best 7 in SL, with Powell and Richardson probably close seconds. Now admittedly, they're generally showcased by having a better team around them, but Hampshire, purely by virtue of being nomadic and not having had a chance to nail a starting 7 spot for a full season, can in no way be described as being better than any of those three.
I don't disagree that he has the potential to be outstanding, but it's exactly this kind of talk that has young players and their agents prepared to make inflated and unreasonable wage demands, before they can justify it.
I like Hampshire - he'll probably have a long and successful career and could easily play for England at some point in the future; but now is not the future.
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| Can only spend what we have and it will be a real shame to lose Rocky if so Drinkwater would be nice
However I can think of 2 players I would get off the wage bill to finance keeping Rocky 1 is too old the other always injured both will be on decent money and it would not weaken the side one bit.
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| Quote ="GET EM ON SIDE REF"However I can think of 2 players I would get off the wage bill to finance keeping Rocky'"
So you would offload people to meet the wage demands of a young player? What about the other players who then form an orderly queue outside MC's office to demand similar treatment - many of whom would probably have a more powerful argument than he currently has? Before you know it, you've inflated your entire wage bill to keep one person happy, or you've overpaid one person (in relative terms) and hacked off everyone else.
You have to be careful with this stuff - paying people what they're worth is a balancing act between what *they* think they're worth, what *you* think they're worth, and what you've already decided other people are worth; sometimes, the circle can't be squared and you have to part ways.
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| Quote ="bellycouldtackle"I would very like to think that player, club and agent can meet up, sit down and work a deal out that is satisfactory to all concerned. MC and his coaching staff know that they have a gem of a player, he is the best player of his generation, I think that you can make a strong argument that he is the best British 7, he is yards quicker and a better defender than Gale, he is better that Richardson whose defense is not a patch on Rocky`s , Brough is finished. Rocky is getting better and better each week and that is from a high quality starting point. Add to that his goal kicking is the best in the league and will alone win you 4 or 5 matches a season. The player is a Wakey lad, he has waited for his chance to prove to , shall we say an initially reluctant coach that he is the first choice No 7, he knows that if a deal can be done he will be playing SL at 7 every week and as a result I suggest that he will force his way into the England / GB 7 shirt. All he needs is the chance to play 7 every week and Wakefield will give him that chance. Rocky and Miller as a pair will be the faster half backs in the league, playing together week in week out will result in a devastating half back partnership. Rocky has everything in his game. His agent needs a happy client, he has to advise re the balance of job satisfaction and financial security. My thoughts are that all three parties know that signing for Trinity is the best move for all, and if they were all sat together surely a deal can and should be sorted.'"
You gare obsessed with this player, he's nowhere near as good as you make out - why over do it?
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