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| Quote ="factsareus"The simplistic way to look at it is this agent X111 asked question a numbers of people ridicule this ....revert to name calling and miss the point of the argument.
Nothing done in the last three months to put to us the fans what we can do ?
only the simple idiotic " if you don't buy season tickets I will sell mantra".
No structure on what we would be investing in !
A lot of the questions put on this forum not answered and if submitted to the club ignored.
hardly a recipe for confidence.
We have had Elston and Glover leave but not under a shadow ..a glowing tribute! if you look at the press releases the club put out?
Yet if you believe what the posters, and general opinion on here are saying and messages coming out of the club how can that be the honest approach,
that the club would have us believe it is now portraying?
I think most people come on with good faith to try and be constructive and have the club at the forefront of their minds but when will we get to a base starting point for us to begin the rebuild both the team and the perception of where we are going with our club?'"
I tend to agree with most of your post, but, if Agentx111 was asking these questions in a pub I'd probably agree with most of his sentiments, but we aren't in a pub, we're on an open forum, we need as much positive publicity as possible, posting negatives all of the time does bring negativity with it, I'd prefer more positives if at all possible, it's sometimes best not to reply to some posts I find just so I'm not expanding the negatives.
If that makes sense!
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| So on one side weve got posters telling us the chairman is being too open and on the other we have posters saying he's not being forthright with the current situation at the club. Who'd want to control this basket case of a club, let alone put their house on the line for it?
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| Quote ="victarmeldrew"As it been confirmed or denied Mellor’s as gone , Poore as agreed to join Hull KR , Aiton is on his way to Leeds ,Kaye as gone to one of a few championship clubs , Smith is going to Newcastle RU .It seems to me (if opinions are still allowed on this forum without fear of been ridiculed) that K/H as taken control of the player recruitment / retention business of the club . Those on contracts she sees as not value for money are being sold or paid off. Although I agree that something needed to be done its very strange with training due to start that only D Smith has been recruited , I hope it’s not a build up to us been told there is no alternative to us becoming the Rhinos Dual Reg Club.,'"
I agree with every announcement that a top drawer player like Aiton/Poore/Lee Smith has been sold then there must be a bargain basement value type recruit coming the other way and being signed to not deflate the fans anymore than they already are and to keep the season ticket sales ticking over.
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| Quote ="Khlav Kalash"So on one side weve got posters telling us the chairman is being too open and on the other we have posters saying he's not being forthright with the current situation at the club. Who'd want to control this basket case of a club, let alone put their house on the line for it?'"
Its far from a basket case.
The club has SKY income to look forward to for the next 12 months at least and although the exact figure is not known
its most likely to be around £1M.
There will be gate money, match day income and sponsorship for a further full season. If we get relegated there will also be a parachute payment.
Although there are various outgoings, by far the greatest costs will be players wages. We are reducing them at a brisk rate and looking forward we could already be past a break even point. Reduce the wages even more and the club could make a tidy profit.
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| Quote ="JINJER"I tend to agree with most of your post, but, if Agentx111 was asking these questions in a pub I'd probably agree with most of his sentiments, but we aren't in a pub, we're on an open forum, we need as much positive publicity as possible, posting negatives all of the time does bring negativity with it, I'd prefer more positives if at all possible, it's sometimes best not to reply to some posts I find just so I'm not expanding the negatives.
If that makes sense!
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Personally i'd just prefer the truth, no matter how ugly it may be. The BS strategy of the last lot didn't do us any favours at all and for many the feeling of having been lied to has done way more damage than just being honest and open about things.
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| Quote ="jack in the box"Its far from a basket case.
The club has SKY income to look forward to for the next 12 months at least and although the exact figure is not known
its most likely to be around £1M.
There will be gate money, match day income and sponsorship for a further full season. If we get relegated there will also be a parachute payment.
Although there are various outgoings, by far the greatest costs will be players wages. We are reducing them at a brisk rate and looking forward we could already be past a break even point. Reduce the wages even more and the club could make a tidy profit.'"
You're absolutely right! Ignoring the potential threat of relegation for the bottom two, which looks less and less likely to materialise given the hash the RFL have made of the whole process, we could end up in a decent 'rebuilding' position.
The club perhaps need to start talking about it in the way that you have, to get a bit of positivity out there amongst potential commercial partners and fans.
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| I may be wrong ,but as someone hinted on here, and I feared weeks ago, can't see a queue of players waiting for Wakefield to say right were ready to sign you ,Leeds feeder team we'll be and as I said and plenty more if that happens will say the same won't be watching them , don't give me that rubbish about supporting owt in the red white and blue
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| If we were at 1.3 SC last year then with these off the wage bill:
SMITH
MORIANO
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KAYE
WILDIE
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surely we should be under the this years salary cap budget by some decent amount.
there's over 300k right there.
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| Quote ="try scorer"I may be wrong ,but as someone hinted on here, and I feared weeks ago, can't see a queue of players waiting for Wakefield to say right were ready to sign you ,Leeds feeder team we'll be and as I said and plenty more if that happens will say the same won't be watching them , don't give me that rubbish about supporting owt in the red white and blue'"
If being a Leeds feeder team keeps us up while we rebuild, then so be it. I will support anyone giving their best in RW and B next season.
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| Quote ="Trojan Horse"If we were at 1.3 SC last year then with these off the wage bill:
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MORIANO
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KAYE
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surely we should be under the this years salary cap budget by some decent amount.
there's over 300k right there.'"
Depends whether our contracted players have built in yearly rises or were given back-loaded contracts as a temptation to sign a longer deal.
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| Quote ="Trojan Horse"If we were at 1.3 SC last year then with these off the wage bill:
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surely we should be under the this years salary cap budget by some decent amount.
there's over 300k right there.'"
Lets face it none of us would be surprised if
LEE SMITH
BEN COCKAYNE
JUSTIN POORE
were about to be added to that list in the very near future.
Like I said on another thread that would probably leave us looking like one of the most financially viable SL clubs on paper.
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| That's just the attitude I can't stand sandel ,I'll support rubbish if its our rubbish we'll get players who couldn't keep hunslet in the champlonship ,every one to their own, thankfully I'll be watching Stanley lads playing for stanley
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| Quote ="try scorer"That's just the attitude I can't stand sandel ,I'll support rubbish if its our rubbish we'll get players who couldn't keep hunslet in the champlonship ,every one to their own, thankfully I'll be watching Stanley lads playing for stanley'" |
Iḿ being realistic. I don´t think we will get rubbish. I suspect there will some shrewd signings. I believe we may have help from Wire as well.
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| Quote ="sandaltrinityfan"|
Iḿ being realistic. I don´t think we will get rubbish. I suspect there will some shrewd signings. I believe we may have help from Wire as well.'"
Why's that?
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| I suppose at this point in time its only speculation but the longer the situation of not recruiting goes on the more likely we will be told it’s the only option. If so people surely don’t think a switched on experienced individual like G/H would be helping us for nothing . they will benefit by having there overage 19s gaining experience and value and keeping their squad members fit . What would be next , singing Marching on together as the team runs out .
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| Just to put a slightly different take on it, does it really matter if we lose all those players as long as we get replacements in who want to play for Trinity and it gives us the chance to be a more financially sustainable team at the same time? Lets be realistic, these players were good on their day but on a regular basis what did they actually achieve over the last two seasons? 9th (on wins) and 11th, is it that upsetting splitting up a squad that can only manage that? MC seems to have a good financial head on him and I think what he is doing regarding the players is ultimately better for the club. I do agree though that it would be good to know that some others are coming in to replace those leaving.
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| Wires, surely bastion as took what he thinks are the best what's left for featherstone ,but I honestly think he's making a big mistake there ,good academy players let's see them against men , there be nowt good left for us I'll guaranteed
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| Quote ="try scorer"I may be wrong ,but as someone hinted on here, and I feared weeks ago, can't see a queue of players waiting for Wakefield to say right were ready to sign you ,Leeds feeder team we'll be and as I said and plenty more if that happens will say the same won't be watching them , don't give me that rubbish about supporting owt in the red white and blue'"
What's rubbish about it? I supported trin when we last in the lower leagues, isn't that what true fans do?
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| The rubbish part of it is your willing to support another clubs reserves ,I've said I'll support our own crap not someone elses
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| For those that remember the 80/90s we have always given leeds our best players but received some good ones in return (mark Conway, Andy mason etc...).
Nothing new. If we sell aiton and get cash plus mcshane and Moore then I'm ok with that.
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| I'm with Tryscorer on this one. I now want to hear our own competent squad players like Wildie, Trout and Walshaw signed on longer term deals! We do not have a squad of 26 to train together in pre-season. It also won't be easy to get players in, and we need to make moves. One development signing so far but lost about 6 good players?
I understand we're skint but retain what we've got from the savings made?
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| Quote ="JINJER"Why's that?'"
Presume youŕe referring to the Wire - I believe that when Tony Smith - fine fella that he is - learned of our plight he suggested Wire may help, presumably with loan players. Now did I hear that/read it or have I made it up?
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| What's it matter good fellow that tony smith I'm telling you only the scraps are left at Warrington and if Yer happy with them I feel sorry for you. Yea I do remember mark Conway Stanley rangers player wrenthorpe lad another example of local lad took by a Leeds raiding party don't think the rhinos will do us favours without things in it for them,I'll say it again I was there in the days when we routed the best they had no way will I support their reserves in our colours bah
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| Tony Smith has helped us out before with Tyrone McCarthy and Craig Harvey, hs decent and respectable coach
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| Not disputing smiths a decent bloke that's not the question, my point was mainly about Leeds but the players you've mentioned were no better than we had and I don't think he'll have owt to loan us better than we've got after feather stones raid
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