If that means relying on Smith not getting his Visa then i doubt it, if John got his visa ok having played less NRL games. Dont need both Smith and Obst surely, sort it out Mr Agar

Don't think it was the number of NRL games that was the issue...I am led to believe it may be something to do with Smith's chequered past, and brushes with the Aussie judiciary that MAY have been the problem, however, since playing for Wigan I believe he has behaved himself, and am told that his Visa is likely to be granted.

Ask Maurice Lindsay to fill the form in and Smithy will be on the next plane.

I don't know who's coming or going but in the video interview Agar gave, he mentioned that he was looking for cover in the backs and primarily a fullback, so I'd have thought that no matter what happens, Tongia will either be staying or we'll be getting another fullback in.

Tongia out, mathers in.

i sincerely hope mathers isnt signed. he is a cowardly thug and he is just not up to this level at all. he has been garbage for years.

Much as I like Obst think hes a sound bloke we dont need him. I think he would do a great job for us again but I really dont think we need him. He loves the club and he gave is all think its a disgrace how they are treating him at Hull ! The Tongia situation is so annoying we need a update from the club whats happening with him....

We don't [ineed[/i one - we'd like one and, given the flow of information thesedays through Twitter, Facebook and the club website, there's no reason to believe we won't get one, when it's appropriate and expedient for it to happen.

Calm down dear.

Please please say that’s not going to happen. Mathers is liability we don't need him and we'll be doing the enemy a favour by reliving them of his contract!

Hope the Mathers thing is only a rumour. Would be a big mistake IMO.

Just in case the mathers thing Is true then, Taxi for Agar!

he was the best player on the field by a country mile in the cup game with cas. he's not my favourite, but to deny that he is talented is just daft.

i suspect, and i have no evidence to back this up, that englishman rangi chase's new deal will mean that they have to unload one or two of their higher earners to make ends meet at cas. who have they signed to date?

If they are letting him go it appears it is to make room for Lee Smith, i would prefer it if Cas could accommodate both players, and we kept Tongia personally.

I don't think I would ever use the word cowardly about any Rugby League player. I do however think he is sneaky, niggly and a bit of a s**t.

Having said that your assessment of his ability is way off the mark IMO. He is a very good attacking option and played almost like an extra halfback for Cas against us last year, a lot of their ggod play went through him. Not so convinced about his defensive attributes however and given all those factors I would rather give Tongia a go, but it's not our choice is it, it is Agar's.

mathers i would rate more highly than smith.

And from what ive seen of tongia, he looks a better prospect than both of Smith Mathers.

And if rumours are to be believed, Tongia is also already signed up for next season

Yep and if rumours are believed he has been since just before Agar took over and he now want rid. Mathers problem is his consistency. He can look great one minute then come up with an absolute howler the next, especially defensively. It doesn't make sense for Agar to get rid of Tongia for the exact same reason and then sign Mathers, other than the quota situation which then points to Obst being a done deal. If Tongia has to go then i'd prefer Smith over Mathers any day. I'd probably even go for Paul Sykes first, at least he can kick goals.

I would not mind if Mathers came to Wakey. Can be used in many positions. Does make the odd error but would be a very useful signing for us.

Thats the problem nobody knows. I would keep him anyday above smith or mathers !

Who is our goal kicker for next season? Can Issac John Kick goals?

Probably Collis. No idea about Johns kicking though.

We want our head read if we go back for Obst. Did an honourable job for us in the past but we don't need yet another mid level mediocre import on the side.

Ref: Mathers, he is a horrible player and I would struggle to support him - and yes he is prone to the odd howler on the field, and being at full back they are magnified, but he is no doubt a quality player and good enough for us.

Rather him than Tongia. No question at all.

Far, far too many average imports. Disappointing to say the least in my opinion.

I'm trying my hardest to believe the whole he will be offering a pathway to the kids but reading about obst coming back and the amount of imports just makes it look like Hull all over. After all we have wildie ad davey who should both be getting games now and make the need for signing obst a non starter. Nothing against Sam but we need to be giving the 2 lads some game time with Ellis. As for Mathers I can't stand him and would prefer Lee Smith.

John can kick but wasn't first choice iirc. Collis is only a part-time kicker as well.