I really don't know other than the 1873 members don't count as season ticket holders/gold/silver/bronze in the 5000, yes we may still have 5000 members in total and thats a fantasic effort but i don't see how it ticks a box.

AG probably does wonder why he's bothered but the reality is he's past the honey moon period and now the hard work starts.

You really need to grow up, what someone doesn't agree with you so you have a dummy spit you total ar*e. The sheer insecurity you suffer from IMO demands some form of therapy - what makes you think it was aimed at you anyway.

You know your problem old lad, you've shouted and abused everyone on here who hasn't shared your near fanatical devotion to AG or won't join your lynch Ted group. Now that some holes are staring to appear in your fantasy you are in panic mode - stop digging and start listening. You don't have all the answers, in fact in your case you don't even know the questions you poor simple sap.

yadda yadda yadda!
Same old, same old, you really fail to grasp anything dont you.
18000 posts shouting down anyone who dared to criticise ted and look where it got you and us.
Nobody (certainly not i) is saying that Glover or anyone else has got everything right, indeed huge questions have been asked lately on a number of decisions that have been made, and people will continue to do so. Blind faith was your department, nobody else's, and to try and improve the recent history you are seeking to criticise, something you would not and your 18000+ posts add testament to that.
If mistakes are being made, lies being told, i for one will have my say, like i did before, that is called consistency (google it!), because what happens to the club is a million times more important than that what happens to any individual owner. You my sad friend are stuck in a ditch of your own digging and i think many can see it, and deep down in your heart you know also, but you can't help yourself.
Call me all the names you want, its your way, but my conscience is clear.
Just because people were in support of Glover/ Parkin whoever,doesn't mean they worship them, it just means they came along and tried to help out our club at a time when the benefactor of your 18000 bileous posts was killing the club you supposedly support.
Glover, no saint in my eyes, but hes done a lot to improve the lot of our club, and he deserves credit for that, because the club was efectively dead and killed by one Ted Richardson et al, dont ever forget that.
We may only be on life support, Glover may just be papering over the cracks, but he didnt sledgehammer the walls to crack them in the first place.
I have doubts to the honesty of our current predicament and wether or not the powers that be already know our fate, but if they do or if they dont they aren't just going to give in, the battle may be lost but there are still fight to be had, that will have an effect (good or bad) on next year, so the club must still be pushed forward and perhaps streamlined.
Thats life, thats how deep we are in it, it certainly isn't Glovers fault, the damage was already done

Jeez you're not the sharpest tool in the box and repetitive and boring with it.

You keep digging bud it's no skin off my nose

I know this may sound ridiculous, but at times I think if Glover hadn't 'saved' us, at least, be it in Championship 1 or wherever, a club owned and controlled by the supporters would at least have left us with destiny in our hands. As soon as Wakefield Trinity stopped being a members club, that 'power' (as minimal as, in reality it may have been, that the ordinary supporter had, was gone.

Maybe I'm being over romantic, and I know sport isn't like that these days, but unless the 'local businessman' has enough financial clout behind him, he'll go the same way as other 'local businessmen' have gone.

Professional sport is for very rich philanthropists, and without one, we may as well run the thing.

Irrelivant , Mr O connor was even more critical than Alan in the Corporate suite at Hilton Park after the last announcements , but does anybody seriously think the RFL would let personal views get in the way of decisions like awarding a licence ?

naughty starbug!!

He's repeated this before and he's not got a shred of evidence to back it up.

Which is irrelevant even if I did believe you. O'Connor played the diplomacy card and worked on strengthening our club and we came through successful. Rowley spat out his dummy and you needed the RFL to save you from relegation, you never worked on your youth system and you've been miles off the pace until this season.

O'Connor's methods are what Wakefield need to be doing. Whether you agree with the RFL or not, put a brave face on it, be diplomatic and move forwards otherwise they will implode. The fans have to be able to believe there are professionals running the club to maintain hope, and nothing will be achieved by the sort of behaviour your average angry fan(I.e. Me last time around) displays.

Cleared up, fair play to the club.

Not at all I think you're right. We keep calling the club ours but it isn't and hasn't been for at least 20 years. It belongs to the shareholders who usually equate to one individual who owns nearly all of them. I have no idea if AG is dodgy or not but I don't think he is but why people put so much faith in him when potentially he could end up just like Ted I have no idea. I suppose it's the same way dodgy politicians get in, people believe what they want to believe and don't ask inconvenient questions - human nature we have all done it.

The big shame was the timing, I reckon if it had happened a bit later or the ST was up and running earlier we the supporters in the form of the ST may have managed to do the deal.

Ideally IMO I'd like to see the ST own the ground whether that be BV or NM and franchise the club and thus the ground to someone like AG. This way the ground and the club name would always be safe. Then we would have a real say in what happens without the absolute nightmare of 2-3000 members trying to run a club on a day to day Basis.

That would have saved us from Teds errors and possibly AG's. I don't think either of them did or would deliberately do harm to the club. However one sold sheepskins and the other flogs windows so neither have any special qualifications to run a RL club and are probably less able than some members of the ST. I accept the need for someone to lead the club but if you take it's major assets out of the toy box and keep them safe it does remove the temptation to use them inappropriately shall we say. Separate ground and club from the operating company, job done s far as I can see.

Andrew Glover just local business man who I'm sure will do what he thinks is best as indeed they all do - but he's no Alan Sugar and he doesn't have a chest full of gold. I'm uncomfortable putting all my faith in one man, as clearly demonstrated by the last one and the one before and the one before that. Be nice for us to be the club that showed the way to go and created the template on how to run a truly democratic community based club.

Yep, clarification here www.wakefieldwildcats.co.uk/news ... 3/2011/07/

Yep, clarification here www.wakefieldwildcats.co.uk/news ... 3/2011/07/

Quote ="PHe"Yep, clarification here www.wakefieldwildcats.co.uk/news ... 3/2011/07/'" We will see come the 26th - really hope that's right but still can't see it making much of a difference TBH. I will stay in the draw for now

Quote ="PHe"Yep, clarification here www.wakefieldwildcats.co.uk/news ... 3/2011/07/'" We will see come the 26th - really hope that's right but still can't see it making much of a difference TBH. I will stay in the draw for now

So basically Chris you are saying what is needed is to lie and booty lick your way into SL , you are obviously suggesting that peoples personal opinions ARE held against them by the RFL , good of you to confirm that opinion

As for Leigh , we are still miles off the pace , so being ' Nice ' to Nige and Richard wont make an iota's worth of difference anyway , and in all honesty , it bloody well shouldn't

Excellent! Clarification finally from the club.
It would be good to see something from the RFL to back this up aswell.

Quote ="PHe"Yep, clarification here www.wakefieldwildcats.co.uk/news ... 3/2011/07/'" Indeed. Clarification that [ionly the number of season ticket holders[/i a club has will count as a criterion in this round of franchises.

Quote ="PHe"Yep, clarification here www.wakefieldwildcats.co.uk/news ... 3/2011/07/'" Indeed. Clarification that [ionly the number of season ticket holders[/i a club has will count as a criterion in this round of franchises.

Bravo





You could learn something here Chris.

Oh yeah, well done that's not how I read it first time but you're right

Although the club put their neck on the line with this quote;

=#FF0000[i…we can confirm that the membership will count as part of the criteria.[/i

This could be read a number of way;

[i=#FF0000….this criteria will be reviewed and amended to ensure that Licensing keeps pace with the initiatives of our club.[/i

Quote ="vastman"Bravo You could learn something here Chris.'" Dont be =#FF0000EDIT: patronising! You don't know starbug enough. He talks crap and always has. He is absolutely miserable and pours cold water on every optimist, even those from his own club who dare to have asprations of super league, which is probably why he considers good diplomacy "ass kissing". As for learning something from him, if I was in a suicidal mood I might go to him for ideas, but by all means, go the rowley route and dummy spit. See where it gets you. viewtopic.php?f=33&t=421878 RR

Quote ="vastman"Bravo You could learn something here Chris.'" Dont be =#FF0000EDIT: patronising! You don't know starbug enough. He talks crap and always has. He is absolutely miserable and pours cold water on every optimist, even those from his own club who dare to have asprations of super league, which is probably why he considers good diplomacy "ass kissing". As for learning something from him, if I was in a suicidal mood I might go to him for ideas, but by all means, go the rowley route and dummy spit. See where it gets you. viewtopic.php?f=33&t=421878 RR

Absolutely. My take is that membership will count as part of the criteria, some time in the future. The statement from the RFL Compliance Manager seems pretty unequivocal to me:

=#FF0000‘“For the current round of Licensing, the number of season ticket holders a club has is a criteria in the assessment of any application."

"However as clubs move to more flexible membership and season ticket arrangements in order to grow their supporter base, this criteria will be reviewed and amended to ensure that Licensing keeps pace with the initiatives of our clubs”.

No time frame here. Just as easy to say "the number of members a club has is a criteria in the assessment of any application". But he didn't say that.

…and it’s just as easy to say members don’t count this year but will for future applications. Perhaps they are being deliberately woolly to maintain ambiguity.

In my opinion the thought process of members potentially counting 3 times in order to meet the magic 5000 members/season ticket holders criteria was a little farfetched, but whether the club have interpreted the ruling right or not we will see next Tuesday. Whether they deliberately misdirected people appears to be cleared up as they seem to genuinely believe it does count.

Quote ="Chris Dalton"Dont be =#FF0000EDIT: patronising! You don't know starbug enough. He talks crap and always has. He is =#FF0000absolutely miserable and pours cold water on every optimist, even those from his own club who=#FF0000 dare to have asprations of super league, which is probably why he considers good diplomacy "ass kissing". As for learning something from him, if I was in a suicidal mood I might go to him for ideas, but by all means, go the rowley route and dummy spit. See where it gets you. viewtopic.php?f=33&t=421878 RR '" Its called ' realism ' , something the fans of Wakefield will shortly have to face , and the fans of Championship clubs have faced for quite a while And if all the RFL want is a sport of ' YES ' men , then perhaps SL isn't right for much of our sport , thats why we split from Union a hundred odd years ago , because they wanted ' yes ' men rather than the truth

Quote ="Chris Dalton"Dont be =#FF0000EDIT: patronising! You don't know starbug enough. He talks crap and always has. He is =#FF0000absolutely miserable and pours cold water on every optimist, even those from his own club who=#FF0000 dare to have asprations of super league, which is probably why he considers good diplomacy "ass kissing". As for learning something from him, if I was in a suicidal mood I might go to him for ideas, but by all means, go the rowley route and dummy spit. See where it gets you. viewtopic.php?f=33&t=421878 RR '" Its called ' realism ' , something the fans of Wakefield will shortly have to face , and the fans of Championship clubs have faced for quite a while And if all the RFL want is a sport of ' YES ' men , then perhaps SL isn't right for much of our sport , thats why we split from Union a hundred odd years ago , because they wanted ' yes ' men rather than the truth

But to be honest, whether it is a direct criteria or not (and the rugby league are not particularly clear for this round) it can't hurt can it.

True, but in the RFL's eyes it may not help.

But you're not a realist. You fancy yourself as one but you're just a pessimist and that's all you are.