Mr Zucchini Head ,you it the nail on the head .3 years ago is when Mr Chester started building a team for the Championship

It's not a case of settling for the bare minimum.
If the boot was on the other foot and we were at full strength v an injury ravaged Hull, we would (rightly) expect a Trinity victory..

Even if we were at full strength v Hull at full strength, a win v FC, at their place, would be considered a very good result ??

There was no greater victory than the opener at Wigan a few seasons ago when Dave Halley scored 2.tries.
If Hull are on their game, they "should" win.
For us to get something from the game, Hull need to be off their game a little and we need a 9/10 from EVERY player.

As for the start of the season. We had a squad that was capable of finishing 9/10th in the league, I wouldn't class it as a "great" squad, especially when pretty much the same squad managed to finish 10th from 11 last season.

I'm good with wanting us to win but, to pretend that we should be winning this one is wildly optimistic.
Yes, the players have to believe they have a chance and that's down to the coaching staff to prepare them the best that we can but, for me, I'll be happy with us competing for 80 mins and if we somehow manage a win, it would be a huge bonus, just as the victories against Saints and Wigan were.

I dont think you need Last's insight, we are beatable for sure, wind Connor up and kick long as we do lack speed in the backs.

Our attack looked good the first two games, but a bit disjointed without Reynolds.Our defence has been outstanding, I don't think we have conceded a try in the first 60 minutes in the three SL games so far.

I fancy us to win a low scoring game something like 16-6

16 -6 Mr Chester will get is new contract

Effort and commitment for the whole game is my ask for tonight.

No heads going down when we concede the first try, leading to 3 or 4 in the next 15 minutes.

No Miller so give the armband to someone who is going to "lead" them. My choice for tonight would be Westerman, he has the experience and is up against an old club of his.

If we somehow manage a win I'd be ecstatic, if we come away feeing that we've given our all but it wasn't quite good enough then I'll be satisfied. Basically I guess it comes down to not losing the enthusiasm battle. I manage a kids football team and I will always say to them, the other team may be more skillful but they should never out-enthuse us.

The team whichever one we field is totally devoid of confidence, this is borne out of loss after loss. I think if anyone at the club could have instilled some belief in the players we may have seen some improvements but it would appear they can’t. We have a coach who cannot accept any criticism of what he does but appears not adverse to naming players who he feels failed in his after match interview.

All the 2nd half woeful performances have started from our stupid mistakes .... Not taking the kick off , kicking out on the full etc whoever plays has to cut out the errors for us to have a chance !

Shouldn't effort and commitment be the norm.
If you play to the top of your ability with the maximum effort and commitment individual performances improve and that reflects on the team performance.
The players at present are not putting a full shift in and some are just not good enough at this level.
Confidence seems to be at an all time low after half time with only a couple of players giving 100%.

IMO no, it's not, no more than it is for most people at work though many will choose to bullcrap otherwise.

What so weird about this team is that for 50 mins their effort cannot be faulted, it's the missing 30 that is baffling.

After decent first halves, especially against Saints, it's as though we think it's enough and it clearly isn't.
Heads do tend to drop when things go wrong or we concede, which happens to loads of sides in any sport, when they are on a bad run.
Chester needs to be telling the players that the result doesn't matter and that its an 80 minute performance that is needed and the senior players in the squad need to "help" those that are less experienced.
The experienced players, generally our better paid players, have to stand up and be counted.
Our pack is very experienced and it is they who need to take charge, not take a backward step and really give it to the Hull boys.

Someone needs to wind Connor up too, really get under his skin

OK then Vasty so effort and commitment should not be expected or given., that sounds like a formula for failure and something that would spread like cancer.
We are or should be in the entertainment. Industry and that depends on people giving their all.

I think the issue is more around what you think commitment and effort is.
If you put everything you've got in 50 minutes and you are spent. Did you give your best if you faid in the last 30?
I am absolutely certain no one goes out there wanting to give up after half time. Nor do I believe that somehow Chester manages to SAP them of all their energy at half time.
Sometimes players are not quite good enough and new tactics or new players need to be used (yes I know its the coaches job) but it's not easy to just magic up a skill when some of your players don't have it.

Incredibly easy to say, just as easy to claim, not so easy to do, well not for mere mortals anyway (which most RL players are)

Connor hasn't given a penalty away so far this season, hopefully that'll continue this evening.

That's plan B out of the window

There's a plan A

Plan A same as plan B

After reading a lot of your posts I'm of the opinion you need to move to Pyongjang. You can literally justify anything

Hull KR beating Leeds. I know some people don’t like this term but tonight is a must win.

Kelepi at prop. Bloody hell.

We will do our best

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And with Salford winning at the moment it will leave us firmly at the bottom by the end of the night if they stay that way

Once more unto the breach dear friends, once more.