interesting reading some of the enlightened views on here surprisingly Wakie fans seem more progressive than some others.

But if anyone wonders why people use drugs i have a little story about 3 years ago i got a bad arm injury and had to go to hospital where i was given IV diamorphine. ( basically medical heroin)

I have never felt so elated in my life ( apart from throwing up something rotten later). But for a couple of hours i did not have a care in the world. Up until then i worked with a lot of addicts and saw the negative side of heroin. death, illness, crime, prison, losing children etc. But after having Diamorphine i saw things in a different light and have never had to ask why someone uses drugs.

me too except I had morphine, a work friend call while I was in A&E, he told me later the difference it made to me was like I was drunk, totally out of it and not a care in the world

might explain my posting habbits

I'm one of those with the 'enlightened' views, but certainly not where heroin is concerned. I don't see much harm in the casual use of a bit of smoke or a line of charlie, I've smoked plenty and it did me no harm, and a high percentage of good friends of mine use cocaine regularly when they go out and they're all decent people.

Heroin is a different thing altogether though and totally devastating for people who get hooked on it and everyone around them. I still wouldn't lock someone up and throw away thew key though, there should be much more help out there for these unfortunate victims.

I don't buy into the.. starting on smoke and moving onto stuff like heroin either, it's about understanding drugs if you want to take them. I knew and understood what smoke was all about as I have done with others I've tried. I knew all about the devastation heroin can cause if you try it just the once though, so never did.

Have you ever took a step back and thought of the following

Why is cocaine produced and by whom?

Who make all the money from it where is that money

Billions of pounds into the black market,

Have made the connection with cocaine alcohol and violent crime and the cost to the country

When you buy your lines of charlie just remember its origins of coca leaves mixed with kerosine and loads of other products that do you the world of good.

Smoking dope is virtually accepted however the stronger strains of skunk etc are a different kettle of fish you will see instance sof mental health etc rising in the coming years yet more drain on society and the NHS.

The reason people move from lower level social drugs to more serious drugs is that your body gets used to the drugs you are taking over time and it is harder to achieve the high you are aiming for, but your body still craves the high because of the addiction. Consequence of this is that you have to move to harder drugs to get your high.

Saying you understand it and would never...... sounds like, I can stop drinking any time I like. Of course we CAN all stop, but we don't. And as long as things stay the same it's not too much of a problem but for those people where something else happens to change their circumstances they can't control it. (Like losing job, loved one etc)

The other side of drugs of course is that if you are addicted, you have to buy it. If you can't afford it you steal to be able to pay for it. A very common cycle that takes you down another level.

but still a drop in the ocean compared to cigarettes and alcohol. maybe the government should produce it and reap the financial rewards rather than drug barons?

Agree with some of those points, but I really don't think you can generalise when it comes to addiction. Some are more prone to addiction than others. Some can remain "social drinkers / drug users" throughout their lives, and go without for long periods of time without ever feeling a craving, others are easily hooked and once they've tried something and enjoyed the effects will face a long and difficult battle to escape that addiction, if they ever manage to do so.

I agree with those who've stated that Hock is not a drug cheat. I'm not condoning what he's done, but apart from keeping him awake during a match, there's nothing that a line of coke will do to improve his performance on the field, and his prospects for making it to the top of his profession.

Sorry but you are totally missing the point of my reply

people can do what they like I agree but there is responsibility and there are the consequences.

Yes but this can be applied across the board. As has already been mentioned smoking and drinking along with obesity are a bigger drain on resources but people are more free to indulge in those pursuits than drugs. As with most things in life there are those who do not indulge at all those that use sensibly and those that use to the extreme and for me there is little difference in abusing, drugs, alcohol, cigs or food.

I'm addicted to watching Wakey its not big or clever and its certainly not good for your health but i do it anyway and one day will pay the price for it.


Hocks made his choice and i've made mine, people make mistakes in life sometimes through stupidity and lack of thought but life goes on.

I wonder who Wigan are thinking of replacing him with? They will have a nice chunk spare on the cap for next year now

here you are charlie. i put my money on darryl griffin

That deal was done yonks ago.

no money to be made there then. poor wigan.

I cant get my head around any comparisons with Drugs and binging on booze and pies!

I know that if Fags, and Booze had just been invented they would be highly illegal, but they have not, and are not.

Coke is class 1 drug, and all the bull surrounding is it bad or not is irrelevent, the damage to the image of the sport, and the impression on young players is catastrophic. Hock is a seasoned International back rower, and with the exception of Peocock, Long, Wellens, McGuire and a couple more of our top players, it does not get any bigger.

I am very pleased he got caught, if not only to make some younger players think twice about getting involved.

I am now going to trap my c@ck in the fridge door, and stick hat pins through my balls, because I fully believe in good all round family values

that might smart a bit

Drinking eating and smoking are lawful activities

using Class A drugs and Class b drugs and Class C drugs are not itys against the rule of law

I agree about alcohol and smoking and obesity but as I state they are lawful snorting coke injecting brown and smoking weed taking amphet, using ecstacy shabu etc are illegal.

I think there's a lot of hypocrisy regarding the use of drugs in sport, or in other areas of life too, for that matter.

Any sportsman or woman using performance-enhancing drugs to gain unfair advantage in their profession - i.e. drug cheats - should face a ban from that and other related sports. Anyone using recreational drugs that are not performance-enhancing should be dealt with as the law of the land deems appropriate.

Why someone who has tested positive for use of a class A drug and only done themselves harm should be banned from a sport, whilst others who have used "legal" drugs and beaten 7 barrels of crap out of innocent bystanders whilst under the influence can continue to play is beyond me. Will Hock face prosecution for what he's done? I somehow doubt it.

My sentiments entirely, sir.

(Although I'll give trapping my c@ck in the fridge door a miss, if you don't mind)

can cocaine give an enhanced performance in any way or is it a recreational type of drug?

It seemed to work for while in toughening up Tony Montana in Scarface, although I got the impression it hindered his decision making.

The simple fact is, under WADA, UK Sport and the RFL, cocaine is a banned substance carrying a 2 year ban.

It'd be very difficult, and possibly unlawful, to ban players for criminal acts not taking place on the field of play. There the responsibility lies with the club and the wording of thier contract with the player, unless we go down the route of all players having contracts under the control, centrally, of the RFL.