Surprise surprise Wakey fans looking for negatives. You have to look at the game and basically it was a mid table Superrleague team against the World champions, ......would Wigan, Warrington or Leeds have beaten NZ ? I thought France went ok against a far superior team . Issac Luke was outstanding . The French support was amaxing...they cheered their team on till the end, some could take a lesson from that !

To be fair Sue... I am not sure I saw a team 'doing ok'... I saw a team doing their best... But that's not the same thing.

I though Ollie deserved more as did the big centre... The rest were not in the same class as NZ who were bigger, faster, more skilled, and better coached... And didn't include a number of their best players.

I can't see why an average team losing to the World champions has any reflection on the coach.
Although scoreline was quite big they broke away a lot and were stopped on line a number of times.
Individual skills was the difference for me not tactics.

I'd disagree there, I think their tactics are too negative. Traditionally French teams throw the ball around a lot more and play with more flair. In their first two games they've played a tight game with a big kick on the last which is nullifying their natural talent. One try in two game is proof of that and the first game wasn't against big hitters like NZ, it was against the mostly part-timers and reserve graders of PNG. If they try a forward battle against Samoa they will struggle 'cos those guys are huge. Let them throw it about Richard!

How good did people think that France were before the World Cup began.
They were only ever a second level international team, some way behind Aussie, Kiwis and England.
The French defence was outstanding against PNG, although they did lack some ideas with ball in hand and it's likely that they would be trying to keep something back for their next game, in which a win would allow them to progress.

If people are looking for every excuse to bash Agar, it's going to be "fun" next season, when he has to attempt to get a meagre squad through a difficult SL season.

How long will it be before the first "Agar out" thread starts ?

Boxing Day and every game thereafter if this forum follows it's usual course and let's not forget Fox. I actually feel sorry for him because with all the departures some on this forum have no one left currently except Fox to criticise. Then again it could be good for him depending who we get in he could end up well down the list of players the forum dislikes.
Just think Lynne will be a starter does anyone know how many passes he made last season because I can't actually remember any. We could also have Molloy need I go on, at least it's Halloween so the time for frightening possibilities. I hope you don't have nightmares tonight dreaming of next season's team remember our board have it under control apparently.

I wasn't referring to Agar... My intent was to highlight that the NZ players are subject to better coaching from being kids right through to being internationals.. Breaking the line is not just about being bigger and stronger, it's knowing when and where to run, how to position the body an d when to push through the line and when to take the tackle... I will rephrase by saying the kiwis were better educated in the game.

The Kiwi's are the current world champions and will very likely be contesting the final with Aus this time around.
The are a much stronger RL nation than France and tbf, if Agar was coaching the Kiwi's, they would still dominate France.
What you say about the coaching is bang on but, there are more kids receiving this better level of coaching from a young age and consequently, more of these will develop into better coached players.

Most of the Kiwi's are playing week in, week out in the NRL - they were always going to be bigger, fitter and better players than the French; not sure what the coach can do about that in the few months he's been in charge, if at all.

The only team that can genuinely compete with them is the Aussies, and that will likely come down to Kiwi indiscipline and their habit of switching off for periods of the game.

It was always going to be a blow-out - the only question was by how much.

You may not even get the chance.

Intriguing, can't imagine who would want him.

Neither can i unless he's staying in France with Catalans or Toulouse.

If he does leave, let's hope he takes Reece Lynne and Jon Molloy with him

I disagree. I think Reece Lynne was ok in patches last season but isn't a centre and would probably go better as a replacement for Cockayne on the wing to utilise his pace. He played there pre season last year and looked pretty good scoring a try or two.

As for Molloy is he still at WTW? Thought his deal was till the end of the season? Hopefully we've not got him tied into a deal, think he must have injury issues as never seemed to last on the pitch when picked.

Thought pre season training started last week? Wonder how many turned up?

Molloy signed a 2 year deal so we are stuck with him.

I did hear rumours of Agar going to Catalans a few months ago but when he got the france gig I assumed it was that...cant really see why they would opt for him but they have for the france job so who knows....what I do know is that he is not a happy bunny as he is used to spending heavily in the transfer market and that isn't going to happen this season, and he will know that with the squad he is going to have its going to be a struggle.....despite the spin that he is looking forward to the challenge he would jump ship if the opportunity came along because I am sure he will know that the fans will be calling for his head by round four !!

Round 2 if we don't win both games.

Interesting if true.

We all know some of the crazy spending on players has taken the club to the brink. So far Elston and Glover have taken the flak for this. I wonder if our coach turned a blind eye to their antics or actively encouraged their madness.

I thought he was given a 3 year deal ?? and he will have known that for the first 2 years of this he will have about as much to spend as our lass gets for housekeeping.
So you can draw 2 conclusions from this, either he is showing loyalty to WTW and is up for the fight or, that he cant get a decent gig elsewhere.
Also, who do you think would want to come to a struggling "SL" club and battle with little cash to spend and to be on a hiding to nothing.
Finally, are you saying that Agar was the guy offering inflated contracts to assemble the squad that we had 2 seasons ago ? maybe this had more to do with a couple of blokes who aint here any more.

No he didn't, quite the opposite

I don't think he turned a blind eye to it, in fact i think the opposite is nearer the mark.

The man who caused similar problems under Teds reign is responsible for this mess.

Agar recently signed a new 3 year deal. Pre-season starts properly today last week was just testing n' that.

Fair enough,

Thought it was a genuine question to ask.

Bloody hell, that's crept up on me quickly. .I'd better find mi booits art, wi a few more on 'ere

Its only my opinion based on what I heard jack.