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| Quote ="Dannyboywt1"Royce Hunt said "I'm coming too" on that post!!'"
That would be nice!!
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| Good news and hopefully another good signing.
Finally, there seems to be a bit of "feel good" factor around the club and long may it continue !
We have a tough start to the season but, cant wait
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| Quote ="PopTart"I was thinking the same about Bowden. I think he and Butler will be really good for us.
Add Whitbread and we could have a really strong front row.'"
A lot of fans are forgetting that we made three big signing for this season, last season, as we did last year.
All retired players have been replaced, it's a fact some just won't accept.
Bowden/Butler for Arona
Atoni for Fifita
Taufua for Bill
Smith for Miller
People keep saying that we are weaker and older but neither is true, Bowden, Butler and Atoni and smith are all younger than the players they replace. As for Eseh, well its just the start, but playing for Fev and winning the YPOY award, he's clearly ready for a fair few starts this season.
However the most staggering thing is that by a piece of great fortune we have somehow managed to replace the irreplaceable in Murphy for Johnstone. How good is that but you would never know it reading the doom mongers on here - tragic really that you can’t see a massive piece of good fortune staring you in the face!
Yet the same suspects on here persist with the same glass half empty propaganda. We just seem to revel in negativity.
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| Quote ="vastman"A lot of fans are forgetting that we made three big signing for this season, last season, as we did last year.
All retired players have been replaced, it's a fact some just won't accept.
Bowden/Butler for Arona
Atoni for Fifita
Taufua for Bill
Smith for Miller
People keep saying that we are weaker and older but neither is true, Bowden, Butler and Atoni and smith are all younger than the players they replace. As for Eseh, well its just the start, but playing for Fev and winning the YPOY award, he's clearly ready for a fair few starts this season.
However the most staggering thing is that by a piece of great fortune we have somehow managed to replace the irreplaceable in Murphy for Johnstone. How good is that but you would never know it reading the doom mongers on here - tragic really that you can’t see a massive piece of good fortune staring you in the face!
Yet the same suspects on here persist with the same glass half empty propaganda. We just seem to revel in negativity.'"
But yet you are the same every off season aren't you?! You are never off here extolling the virtues of new players who haven't even taken to the field yet!! Yet when we are a few games in you are the first to dive in there and slag off the coaches and players. You need to re-read some of your posts from last season, even though it will take you months, before you start having a go at people on here. You said Tom Johnstone getting injured was a disaster for the team, it wasn't. Butler did nothing and was signed in May, he has loads to prove. Bowden did ok. I HOPE Atoni, Proctor etc prove to be good signings, but none of us know how they will do, clearly, but it doesn't stop all the clairvoyants on here knowing they will be good signings! You can't seem to post without having a go at fellow posters, you are like a broken record mate, and when we get to April/May and things MIGHT not be going so well, let's see what you put on here then......
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| Quote ="Wildcatnomore"But yet you are the same every off season aren't you?! You are never off here extolling the virtues of new players who haven't even taken to the field yet!! Yet when we are a few games in you are the first to dive in there and slag off the coaches and players. You need to re-read some of your posts from last season, even though it will take you months, before you start having a go at people on here. You said Tom Johnstone getting injured was a disaster for the team, it wasn't. Butler did nothing and was signed in May, he has loads to prove. Bowden did ok. I HOPE Atoni, Proctor etc prove to be good signings, but none of us know how they will do, clearly, but it doesn't stop all the clairvoyants on here knowing they will be good signings! You can't seem to post without having a go at fellow posters, you are like a broken record mate, and when we get to April/May and things MIGHT not be going so well, let's see what you put on here then......
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Do I really
So for a start, I never ever said TJ getting injured was a disaster, injuries happen, I said losing him would be. I was the first on here, YES THE VERY FIRST!!! to extol how good Murphy was, but I had no idea he'd be ready to instantly replace TJ, did you, no you didn't. At least try and be factual.
Yes I did criticise Poching, clearly I wasn't alone in my feelings or he'd still be coach wouldn't he
As for the rest of what you write makes no sense to me.
It's a new season, at the point I criticised some players last year and I was right to do so, and I stand by every word, we were awful, bit its a new coach and a new season? All players have to prove themselves this season as in every season, not just Butler and Bowden, that's how it works.
You're right when you say you'd need clairvoyant to know if the new signings are any good, so why does it not work both ways then. Clearly you can't know if they won't be yet it doesn't seem to stop you and others finding imaginary issues. So why don't you just get behind them and make a judgement later in the season.
Yes I am having a go at certain poster, I always will, so what! You are having a go at me, I don't mind, I'm not having a strop, you're well within your right, I'm just answering you point by point.
You and others seem to want a guarantee that all will work out, well you can't have one, that's the beauty of sport, much of it is unpredictable, and that includes signings. Sport is about faith at the start of a season, it's about cold reality half way through. We are not there yet so why wallow in what might be, go on, dream of what could be, you might like it.
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| Quote ="Wildcatnomore"But yet you are the same every off season aren't you?! You are never off here extolling the virtues of new players who haven't even taken to the field yet!! Yet when we are a few games in you are the first to dive in there and slag off the coaches and players. You need to re-read some of your posts from last season, even though it will take you months, before you start having a go at people on here. =#FF0000Butler did nothing and was signed in May, You said Tom Johnstone getting injured was a disaster for the team, it wasn't.he has loads to prove. Bowden did ok. I HOPE Atoni, Proctor etc prove to be good signings, but none of us know how they will do, clearly, but it doesn't stop all the clairvoyants on here knowing they will be good signings! You can't seem to post without having a go at fellow posters, you are like a broken record mate, and when we get to April/May and things MIGHT not be going so well, let's see what you put on here then......
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Butler was nowhere near fit, but showed towards the end that he could improve.
It was a disaster that Tom got injured at the time he did - so that is correct.
Only after time did we see that we had a fine replacement in Lewis Murphy.
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| Quote ="Wildcatnomore"But yet you are the same every off season aren't you?! You are never off here extolling the virtues of new players who haven't even taken to the field yet!! Yet when we are a few games in you are the first to dive in there and slag off the coaches and players. You need to re-read some of your posts from last season, even though it will take you months, before you start having a go at people on here. You said Tom Johnstone getting injured was a disaster for the team, it wasn't. Butler did nothing and was signed in May, he has loads to prove. Bowden did ok. I HOPE Atoni, Proctor etc prove to be good signings, but none of us know how they will do, clearly, but it doesn't stop all the clairvoyants on here knowing they will be good signings! You can't seem to post without having a go at fellow posters, you are like a broken record mate, and when we get to April/May and things MIGHT not be going so well, let's see what you put on here then......
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Just looking at your user name doesn't look like your much of a fan either, that's assuming you ditched your previous one, big if I know, but will you be changing it again if we have a good season.
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| Quote ="BarnsleyGull"Butler was nowhere near fit, but showed towards the end that he could improve.
It was a disaster that Tom got injured at the time he did - so that is correct.
Only after time did we see that we had a fine replacement in Lewis Murphy.'"
Butler wasn’t fit when he arrived but back end of season he shed some weight and was looking fitter. I watched a few times in reserves and a few games at the back end and he was certainly improving along with his fitness. If he has a good pre -season and gets in good shape then Butler could very well be a surprise package for us in superleague. I’m optimistic we will see Butler raring to go after this pre season.
Tom’s injury did hurt us initially but Murphy has certainly filled that hole. I would think we are going to see how Murphy goes in the first few months of the season and contract negotiations will be ongoing.
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| First of all, the first 3 games had Lineham and TJ on the wing, then Lineham got injured at Saints and was out for a few months. Murph's debut was against Leeds at home, with Tom Johnstone on the other wing was it not??
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| Quote ="chissitt"Just looking at your user name doesn't look like your much of a fan either, that's assuming you ditched your previous one, big if I know, but will you be changing it again if we have a good season.'"
Well you can assume what you like pal!! I used to be Wildmoggy on here, but had trouble with logging on with a new password, and found it easier to start again.
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| Quote ="Wildcatnomore"First of all, the first 3 games had Lineham and TJ on the wing, then Lineham got injured at Saints and was out for a few months. Murph's debut was against Leeds at home, with Tom Johnstone on the other wing was it not??'"
And?
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| Quote ="Trojan Horse"And?'"
So how could he have been TJ's replacement??
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| Quote ="Wildcatnomore"So how could he have been TJ's replacement??'"
Because long term he was always going to be a left winger.
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| Quote ="Wollo-Wollo-Wollo-Wayoo"Because long term he was always going to be a left winger.'"
So if TJ hadn't have gotten injured, Lineham after injury would have replaced Murphy because of his inflated salary??
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| Quote ="Wildcatnomore"First of all, the first 3 games had Lineham and TJ on the wing, then Lineham got injured at Saints and was out for a few months. Murph's debut was against Leeds at home, with Tom Johnstone on the other wing was it not??'"
So you don't think Murphy is Toms replacement.
What wing he's on is utterly not relevant imo, it's about having a player with massive strike potential, who cares what wing that comes down?
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| Quote ="vastman"So you don't think Murphy is Toms replacement.
What wing he's on is utterly not relevant imo, it's about having a player with massive strike potential, who cares what wing that comes down?'"
They played in the same team, did they or didn't they? Seen as you're the one who deals in facts.
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| It matters not who exactly was replaced by Murphy and when exactly it happened.
Long term Murphy's readiness for Superleague, after Tom's injury and subsequent transfer of Tom meant that we had a replacement from within the club.
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| There's obviously a certain poster on here, a shade of red, who does go OTT with his sniping at the club in general and how it's run, but you have to see his point occasionally. His argument against the club, is we do often play the penniless pauper, yet Lineham is still here, and to justify his being here, surely he has to be first choice?? But how many fans would like to see him starting ahead of Murphy, Taufua, Kershaw, Kay? Not me, but like i've said, if he doesn't play, then the club are wasting money, are they not??
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| Quote ="Wildcatnomore"So if TJ hadn't have gotten injured, Lineham after injury would have replaced Murphy because of his inflated salary??'"
We'll never know will we?
And you talk about other posters being clairvoyants......
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| Has Lewis Murphy changed his name by deed poll ? Thought this was an atoni thread ?
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| Quote ="Wildcatnomore"There's obviously a certain poster on here, a shade of red, who does go OTT with his sniping at the club in general and how it's run, but you have to see his point occasionally. His argument against the club, is we do often play the penniless pauper, yet Lineham is still here, and to justify his being here, surely he has to be first choice?? But how many fans would like to see him starting ahead of Murphy, Taufua, Kershaw, Kay? Not me, but like i've said, if he doesn't play, then the club are wasting money, are they not??'"
Surely he is only first choice if he's the form winger. You don't pick your team on salary.
Strange logic.
But as has been said, if you want to discuss our wing options, just open a new thread. Not on this one.
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| Quote ="Wildcatnomore"First of all, the first 3 games had Lineham and TJ on the wing, then Lineham got injured at Saints and was out for a few months. Murph's debut was against Leeds at home, with Tom Johnstone on the other wing was it not??'"
So you don't think Murphy is Toms replacement.
What wing he's on is utterly not relevant imo, it's about having a player with massive strike potential, who cares what wing that comes down?
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| Quote ="Wildcatnomore"There's obviously a certain poster on here, a shade of red, who does go OTT with his sniping at the club in general and how it's run, but you have to see his point occasionally. His argument against the club, is we do often play the penniless pauper, yet Lineham is still here, and to justify his being here, surely he has to be first choice?? But how many fans would like to see him starting ahead of Murphy, Taufua, Kershaw, Kay? Not me, but like i've said, if he doesn't play, then the club are wasting money, are they not??'"
Well, we will beg to differ, back to what looks like our potentially fantastic new signing.
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| Quote ="PopTart"Surely he is only first choice if he's the form winger. You don't pick your team on salary.
Strange logic.
But as has been said, if you want to discuss our wing options, just open a new thread. Not on this one.'"
Ok final word on this thread, strange logic? What about giving a guy over 30 a hefty (allegedly) 3 year deal, then loaning him out to a championship club, signing an ex RU winger with virtually no RL experience, who did ok, not signing him, then bringing back the guy who you loaned out......
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| Quote ="Wildcatnomore"Ok final word on this thread, strange logic? What about giving a guy over 30 a hefty (allegedly) 3 year deal, then loaning him out to a championship club, signing an ex RU winger with virtually no RL experience, who did ok, not signing him, then bringing back the guy who you loaned out......
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If you want to know the reasons to that one I will give you a clue in no particular order, blamed for poor defence, loaned out, gave an opinion, had a fall out, old coaching methods, injured and played.
Lets see where we are now with hands on coaching by all the staff not just some with up to date methods. lets see what happens eh.
I am certain you will some much happier players willing to do the business this coming season unlike last season where you could see all the apathy from some players last season until the bullet was bitten.
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