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| From an outside view i would say that lockdown has certainly affected you. If you excuse the wording, Belle Vue is a tacky little ground but the home fans make it a hostile cauldron for the away team and after seeing us get pumped there often enough i would say the Wakey side definitely gets a lift from the home crowd. We (Wigan) have probably played differently too as we as fans generally get on the players' backs as there is an expectancy to perform week in week out. What i will say though is that concurring to some of the comments on here. Chester did look a broken man last night and i am pretty sure he knows he is under pressure. People in rugby league aren't generally well paid and the man has to think of his family. He isn't going to just walk away from a contract and as fed up as you are i would say stick with him until you can get a good crowd back in. The Wakey fans really are the 18th man and you need to play your part too.
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| Quote ="Pie_Eyter"From an outside view i would say that lockdown has certainly affected you. If you excuse the wording, Belle Vue is a tacky little ground but the home fans make it a hostile cauldron for the away team and after seeing us get pumped there often enough i would say the Wakey side definitely gets a lift from the home crowd. We (Wigan) have probably played differently too as we as fans generally get on the players' backs as there is an expectancy to perform week in week out. What i will say though is that concurring to some of the comments on here. Chester did look a broken man last night and i am pretty sure he knows he is under pressure. People in rugby league aren't generally well paid and the man has to think of his family. He isn't going to just walk away from a contract and as fed up as you are i would say stick with him until you can get a good crowd back in. The Wakey fans really are the 18th man and you need to play your part too.'"
I've seen this a few times from opposition fans and players. Belle Vue has never struck me as a hostile ground. Antiquated with little of modern life's 'luxury' yes, an intimidating ground, no. It's hardly the Ali Sami Yen.
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| Regarding the fans at Belle Vue being hostile, when reading Keith Seniors autobiography he referred to playing at Wakefield as the cauldron of hate.
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| Quote ="lampyboy"For me both CC and MC share the responsibility.
I have no idea if Chesters a poor coach but he needs to be backed with money. The club must take action and provide Chester or any other coach with money to provide a reasonable squad.
Chester takes all the agro while his best chum gets plaudits for saving the club and steps back from tha flack at the present time.
Its a 2 way street Mr Carter provide the funds to give Chester a fighting chance,'"
Others on this forum are saying that this is one of the best squads that we've had, yet you say above that Chester needs the Board to provide the coach with money to provide a reasonable squad. which is correct?
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| Chester needs to be backed up with money. Like the money he used to sign Brough, Atkins, and MCB for a second time (and didn’t use him). Mitch Allgood another waste of money. More recently Alex Walker. Signing Tangata permanently in off season then paying him off.
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| Quote ="Trinity1964"Regarding the fans at Belle Vue being hostile, when reading Keith Seniors autobiography he referred to playing at Wakefield as the cauldron of hate.'"
Probably because he used to run into a fight and king hit players from behind
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| Pitts did right to go for the steal, more of less under the post .Next play Leed would have past it back to Gale game over .Just the way things are going at presents.,Did feel sorry for Mr Chester last night ,the team could not have give more
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| I said in a previous post that our pivots were rubbish and general play certainly in the second half was garbage some Leeds fans are saying an half decent side should have rattled 40 past us that’s how bad we were,Leeds are poor and we are notch worse
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| No one can deny the effort that is on show is off the scale ,but our skill set is well below par of where it should be even before the injuries set in . Our defensive structures have certainly got better even with the chopping and changing to the team , so why is our attack so poor and has been for a long time . I remember this same conversation a few seasons ago in the friendly’s and was told we were keeping our powder dry as to attacking structures . I think two seasons is long enough to keep them under wraps ,and could we please see them implement ASAP .
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| Quote ="cosmicat"I said in a previous post that our pivots were rubbish and general play certainly in the second half was garbage some Leeds fans are saying an half decent side should have rattled 40 past us that’s how bad we were,Leeds are poor and we are notch worse'"
I think that it needs a bit of realism here. Our 'pivots' consisted of one regular (Mason), we had one hooker on loan (been with us 2 weeks), the other hooker is a backrower and went off early in the game, our other half is really a fullback and our fullback has only been training with us for a couple of weeks. Oh and I'm forgetting that our only regular hooker pulled out of the game the day prior to the match.
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| That does not apply to our many other similar performances since the start of last season.
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| Quote ="Scarlet Pimpernell"That does not apply to our many other similar performances since the start of last season.'"
Yes it does. You should check the starting pivots for the previous games and the injuries during games to our pivots then you will see it very much applies. We haven’t had our starting Spine together once this season yet.
I believe we have had in 6 games:
4 x different full backs
5 x different halfback combinations
4 x different hooker combinations
We have had the most disruption out of all superleague clubs. It’s always going to be a challenge to be a free scoring team in that scenario.
Regardless of the challenges though we must pick up at least 2 wins from the next 3 including beating Leigh.
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| Quote ="60sCat"And all I read about in my paper this morning was Leeds injuries!!! Fed up of all these CC critics. Yes we are all disappointed but give it a rest.'"
Me too.
I hope fans that turn up next week really get behind the team, no matter what, right to the final whistle.
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| I'm hearing a few clubs are chasing Joe Westerman now. Another one of Mr. Chester's rubbish signings eh
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| Disappointing that we persist with a 2nd rower at prop when we have 3 props on the bench.
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| Quote ="PopTart"Me too.
I hope fans that turn up next week really get behind the team, no matter what, right to the final whistle.'"
Same here .... but I really wanted Chester to come out “ fighting” a bit more after the game Friday . We did fantastic esp in defence and yet he was just so downbeat ! He was depressing me so I don’t know how the players are feeling . Phil Clarke spoke more enthusiastic about us . Drop the victim , we all know the situation and condemn the idiots that have abused him .. but we need lifting to fight the next few games !!!
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| Quote ="Teltry"I'm hearing a few clubs are chasing Joe Westerman now. Another one of Mr. Chester's rubbish signings eh'"
Indeed. Obviously all these good performances are to do with the previous coaches.
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| I've been a critic of CC but in all honesty, I really don't think there's a coach in SL who could have done more this season, with the players we have available.
We may have good strength in most of the squad, but unfortunately we've had to dig deeper and get loan players, and some coming in are, IMO just not good enough.
I really don't know where we go from here other than hope we get players back AND they hit some form.
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| Quote ="cocker"Same here .... but I really wanted Chester to come out “ fighting” a bit more after the game Friday . We did fantastic esp in defence and yet he was just so downbeat ! He was depressing me so I don’t know how the players are feeling . Phil Clarke spoke more enthusiastic about us . Drop the victim , we all know the situation and condemn the idiots that have abused him .. but we need lifting to fight the next few games !!!'"
Totally agree.
Whatever the circumstances behind the scenes, there has to be some positivity.
First of all to keep the fans interested but also, to enthuse people to want to be associated with the club, from staff, to sponsors and anyone else connected with the club.
There ARE plenty of games for Trinity to make something from the season and right now, the minimum target should be to improve on last seasons 10th place finish in the league, which is certainly possible.
And yes, our defence was awesome on Friday, the best it has been all season.
If defence wins games, we must be getting closer.
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| Quote ="FickleFingerOfFate"Disappointing that we persist with a 2nd rower at prop when we have 3 props on the bench.'"
My thoughts exactly. I also read that, we had Ashurst filling in at hooker, but yet Eaves was on the pitch.
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| Quote ="Travelling Wilbury"My thoughts exactly. I also read that, we had Ashurst filling in at hooker, but yet Eaves was on the pitch.'"
Nope. Eaves had gone off because he spent about 65 minutes on the pitch due to Crowther picking up an injury in the first 5 minutes.
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| Quote ="Willzay"Nope. Eaves had gone off because he spent about 65 minutes on the pitch due to Crowther picking up an injury in the first 5 minutes.'"
No no. He read it somewhere. Why do you persist in believing your own eyes.
And I'd say much as I like Kelepi out wide, we needed help in the middle against their big pack.
Our second row was fine without him. So I'd say it worked.
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| Quote ="PopTart"…nothing about that loss was because of Chester.'"
I think you are being very generous here, and not one of the more balanced of comments we are used to reading from you.
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| You do realise that this was a Leeds team that by their low standards this season were there for the taken by an half decent team. Why are we playing a second row and loose forward at prop because we did not sign the Wigan loanee and let another return to Halifax based on the possibility of signing Fifita despite the many uncertainties.
We play Hull KR at home next a game considered by many to be a must win. I hope we do but because we need it for everyone involved with the club. The problem is that we cannot attract suitable players to improve the squad therefore we need to change what the current team produce on the field. It does not take a genius to work out that we cannot make yards from our line, our kicking game is pretty abysmal and we are clueless near the oppositions line. These are not new problems and the buck must stop with Chester because he has not been able to rectify any of these except in the rare game.
I know some of you want to find any positive in his coaching but the bottom line is now 9 wins out of 46. I admire the fact that Westerman backs him but not enough to hang around next season apparently.
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| Quote ="PopTart"No no. He read it somewhere. Why do you persist in believing your own eyes.
And I'd say much as I like Kelepi out wide, we needed help in the middle against their big pack.
Our second row was fine without him. So I'd say it worked.'"
So you wouldn't have Tanginoa running wide at the backs and nullify his power by carting it up the middle? Chris Green isn't small.
If you think 'it works' playing Tanginoa at prop, it obviously doesn't.
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