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| Quote ="cas all the way"Surprise surprise. Fafita plays as I said he would a few days ago. You did the exact same last year.'"
Did the same with Kyle Wood against Hudds a few weeks back against Hudds, wasn't named in 19 but ended up starting. Personally I don't know how we keep getting away with it.
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| This is a painful match to watch in terms of penalties and errors.
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| 10 losses on the bounce against these lost - there is no pride in these derbies anymore.
At the risk of offending, Finn and Grix are starting to make Smith and Mathers look quick. Horo and Pauli are turning out to be uninspired signings.
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| Quote ="Willzay"10 losses on the bounce against these lost - there is no pride in these derbies anymore.
At the risk of offending, Finn and Grix are starting to make Smith and Mathers look quick. Horo and Pauli are turning out to be uninspired signings.'"
I did wonder when the real wllzay would crawl back out from under his stone.
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| Couldn't agree more there regarding Horo and Pauli. I know Pauli needs time to get fitness, but both of them probably on decent contracts and quota spots, how long do you give them.
I really hope the halves are freshened up for Hull. At times we looked to lack ideas when we were near their line.
Not all bad though, think we defended better tonight than we have in last couple of weeks apart from when we stood back and allowed Gale to run laterally across the line to set up their only try.
Onwards and upwards to Hull
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| Thought we did the basics better then you but even then you could have still won the game. Conditions probably suited us in a weird way as we aren't playing with any fluency .that said I don't think powell was buzzing with it lashing down. See you in 4 weeks.
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| Quote ="Eastern Wildcat"Couldn't agree more there regarding Horo and Pauli. I know Pauli needs time to get fitness, but both of them probably on decent contracts and quota spots, how long do you give them.
I really hope the halves are freshened up for Hull. At times we looked to lack ideas when we were near their line.
Not all bad though, think we defended better tonight than we have in last couple of weeks apart from when we stood back and allowed Gale to run laterally across the line to set up their only try.
Onwards and upwards to Hull'"
How long do we give them? We've played 7 and a bit games you numpty
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| Well a can’t speyk
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| Quote ="Towns88"Thought we did the basics better then you but even then you could have still won the game.
I think Cas were better in the first half but I felt we had the better of the second half.
Your not wrong, we had chances to win it and one day we will learn how to win and then we will become a top four team.
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| Quote ="LG83"How long do we give them? We've played 7 and a bit games you numpty'"
I give my opinions on PP elsewhere, basically that he joined in January, so already he was trying to get in shape after his broken leg & he missed a big chunk of Preseason. What does CC do, he's the one that will see his stats in a much better way than we do and can make the calls based, eg, say If it's fitness thing or whatever. They have that thing attached to their back to see if he's blowing after 10 minutes and how quickly he's recovering after each carry or if it takes him longer to get his HR down.
As for Horo, at first a thought he was doing alright as a new guy in the side but there's no excuse for fitness and injury for him. I'd get Batchelor in there, I'd have done it a couple of games back tbh. The lads better than him now imo and doesn't miss tackles and carries the ball well.
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| Said it before they signed horo and got shouted down-
we are legless in attack when inside the 20 we never look like scoring...
trouble now to hold onto 8th spot
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| If we compare last season against the same opponents with this season against the same opponents we are only 2 points worse off (ie the Wigan loss)
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| Quote ="cas all the way"Surprise surprise. Fafita plays as I said he would a few days ago. You did the exact same last year.'"
If it's some dodgy conspiracy, why didn't we do the same last week? Could have done with him. Nah it's because it's a Derby and as we know he's got groin problems where he's' taking injections just to get him out the field, so it looks like this week was more important for the win than against Wire away.
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| Have to agree regarding Horo and Pauli. We have squad players who would bust a gut to get the chances those two have had. Time for a change maybe?
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| not that we have anyone else but the time for change is the halfs - miller and finn.
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| Stupid penalties gifting Cas field position cost that game. What's the point in fantastic attack pinning them to their 10 to gift them field position on the first tackle
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| Yes 7 games in, and 23 regular weekly rounds. My main point was as the rounds pass by, you would expect him to be improving, but he appears to be the same as in the first couple of rounds.
These type signings, can be a gamble if they don't work out, especially if they're taking up cap space and a quota spot.
Hope it works out for both players here, but just not convinced yet
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| That last 10 minutes of Headless Chicken mode was soul destroying. Missed the last 33 seconds once Cas regained possession. Don't suppose we managed a one-on-one ball steal and pulled it off did we?
Positives from tonight. Cas fans got wet through. Sky+ deleted and bed early.
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| Quote ="BOJ042"Said it before they signed horo and got shouted down-
we are legless in attack when inside the 20 we never look like scoring...
trouble now to hold onto 8th spot'"
You do know this time last year we had I think 2 wins, against Leigh and Salford.
Even though myself thinks the attack is not exactly firing, not that today was the conditions for playing champagne rugby, we've just had two away games against good teams, where we've averaged 22 points, not bad for a team that 'inside the 20 we never look like scoring'
Saying all that we've had now 3 games that we could have won and come out on the wrong side of. It shouldn't have been a confidence thing after 4 straight, it's we're not learning from our mistakes in general imo.
I've said it before, this so far reminds me of last season, with close competitive loses with we could of win. It wasn't until round 10 that we started to hit our straps and looked like a team, that knew how to win.
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| Dominated the second half but could only manage 1 try from a kick & chase.
Total lack of composure in the opposition 20 and just too much cheap turnover ball.
Pauli Pauli is killing us with penalties
On the plus side, defence was excellent. Although, Cas weren't going for the expansive type game that they have been playing.
Definitely a game we could have won.
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| I personally thought Milky and Wood tried their best to get us on the front foot, Wood was my MOM for Trinity. The line speed was terrible all game and again the closing of the kicker down......well
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| Too many penalties again. We're creating unnecessary hard work.
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| Probably on my own here but thought Pauli Pauli wasn't that bad, quota spot/import aside, I thought he looked reasonable. Fair enough he gave us a couple of penalties away but by my reckoning he played longer than anybody else in the front row?
Horo however appears to offer nothing so far.
Cas came to grind out a win, reckon they fancied it as a practise match for the grand final due to conditions and weather. Like us though. they'll have to find several extra gears to be anywhere near the final come the business end of the season.
Wood was the best player on the field when out there.
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"[uDominated the second half but could only manage 1 try from a kick & chase.[/u
Total lack of composure in the opposition 20 and just too much cheap turnover ball.
Pauli Pauli is killing us with penalties
On the plus side, defence was excellent. Although, Cas weren't going for the expansive type game that they have been playing.
Definitely a game we could have won.'"
I agree and it's frustrating because you know Finn can do good crossfield kicks for the wingers to get on the end of. That's what should have been the focus of our pre-game, on how we're gonna put points on the ball against Cas. When you're in the opposition 20, you can even mix it up and put them up on the 4th tackle to try to catch players out of place. Even the grubber into space for the quicks to run onto, this weather was made for tricky kicks in attack.
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| Pauli Pauli still has a bit of time on his side regarding performance but Horo is just hampering the development of our own.
PP was and is a gamble but Horo is a seasoned pro with 120 NRL games and another 40 odd for Catalan, so no excuse for him not performing, one might even say, 'why are we signing a mercenary player when a young English player could do as well?'
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