If you want to have 5 year old spats do it by PM. It's pretty boring for the rest of us.

As for Hardaker he looks like he has added to his game to me.
Leeds played out from deep with the running wingers but Cas are different and Hardaker has changed his game accordingly. He has a bit of Dorn's game in him now which makes him more of a team player.
Dangerous to us and needs stopping if we are to have a chance of winning.

Grix isn't dangerous to them in the same way but he is important enough to our team to allow the team to be dangerous.
Each suits their team well.

I would agree they've played the most open brand of rugby in the past couple of years, but Hudds when they won LLS in 2013 and Warrington when they were spanking everyone left right and centre in 2011 were far more exciting - with some silverware to show for it.

One things for sure, one set of fans will be very disappointed by the end of the game - my heart says it will be Cas my head says it will be us.

If it weren't a derby game I'd have written this one off already - problem is it's a derby game for them as well.

Our squad is out....

Same as last week except Millington in for Shenton.

As we predicted it seems

It's always a silly and circular argument to try to pick players from one team who'd get in another; and even sillier to expect opposition fans to agree. And right now, if I were a Cas fan, I wouldn't want *any* player from another team to replace any of theirs, no matter how good - their team spirit, structures and attitude are the absolute best in SL, and that's not always about the quality of individuals - it's about the team and the group.

I maintain my earlier pessimism about this one - they're miles ahead of us, and I think they'll beat us; and there'll be no shame in that. I just hope we can put in a creditable performance and keep building on the improvements we've made in recent weeks - and that's not always contingent on a win.

I don't think they are miles ahead never have - still we'll know who's right soon enough



Totally agree about the team thing, player for player there is nothing all star special about Cas but as a unit that's they are bob on at the moment.

That said team spirit is a notoriously volatile product.

What's up with Shenton, did I read he broke down in the warm up before last weeks game or something ?

Its weird how often that gets reported

Back injury - correct in that he pulled out in the warm up last week.

Been doing light training this week and will probably be a late call to see if he can make it, otherwise probably pencilled in for the Saints game on Monday to give him extra time.

Yet again you're wrong. The Leeds team of a few years ago was way more entertaining and far more talented than this Cas team. I really don't get this Cas love in but if you must insist on pushing our rivals at least be accurate about it. Better still why not wait until the end of the season when the gongs are handed out before heralding Cas as the greatest attacking team of the 2010's - after a third of a season - I mean seriously!

Now I'm sure you'll disagree with me as is you're entitlement to do - but try to do it with a little more decorum this time - thanks in advance.

Far more talented but not way more entertaining. Entertainment and talent are two entirely different concepts. That Leeds team were never as entertaining as this Cas side are now, it's completely rewriting history to try and say they were. No one ever talks about them in the same breath as the St Helens side of the same era in terms of the style of rugby they played. They were certainly the best team of the last 10 or so years but they weren't the best to watch. Since the last great Saints side I would say only Wire in 2011 were close to as entertaining as this Cas side so far. Whether they can keep it up, who knows. The fact they're our rivals is a complete red herring, just because I don't like them doesn't mean I can't acknowledge what they've done so far this season. Although you regularly throw away all logic when it comes to talking about anyone other than Wakefield (and even some of our players) so I certainly take anything you say with a pinch of salt.

I have to say IMHO that this Cas side, in the games so far this season, is probably the most entertaining side since the classy Saints outfit of early Super League days. Leeds of a couple of years back were more workman like with the odd touch of individualism.

"Wide to Eden" anyone? Obviously tomorrow "Wide to Johnstone"

How about England, who probably won't be fully match fit, on the first set completely ends Gale, Westwood style.
Takes his 10 mins, rudderless Cas get squashed, Wakey get 2pts and England gets a month off to get fit.

2 birds.....1 stone......bosh

which, come the end of the season, is going to be crucial in what is turning out to be a very competetive Super League season.

I say it through gritted teeth about both sides but imo the 2015 Leeds team played some fantasically attractive RL that was far more free flowing, offloading and attacking than their other Champion sides previous and it's far from rewriting history at all imo. Are this Cas side playing more entertaining rugby, it's close call and that says alot about how well Cas are playing atm. Anyway we'll see what the rest of the season brings. When talking about entertainment, especially in RL it can be a bit subjective anyway imo.

Yeah - there's no doubt that Gale is the man for Cas' but having said that I don't for one minute think they are just a one man team - just that if he wasn't been playing
I would fancy our chances!

Well, it worked for Warrington
I'm in no doubt that Sutcliffe is worth a lot more to Leeds than one big dumb lug is to Warrington.

I've not mentioned it before, and I've only seen the game once, but after that incident I was watching the Leeds kicker at the end of every set ignoring the ball, and I reckon kick pressure was a key activity.
It seemed that the kick pressure was not about just pressure, it was about getting to the kicker in the window of opportunity and making sure you put him on his no matter what, and they got away with it all game.
I think that was a large part of why the Leeds kicking game was poor, but there is a ref and linesman, so....I dunno.

Hope our injury list isn't too long after the Cas game...

Both centres were crook and BJB looked injured

We might need to go with something like

Grix, Jowitt, MCB, Gibson and Johnstone???

I am suprised that there are only 2 changes to the 19 for Monday both enforced

Grix
Johnstone
Gibson
MCB
BJB
Williams
Finn
Allgood
Wood
Fifita
Ashurst
Kirmond
Arona

Huby
England
Hadley
Miller

Think the team v Wigan may look like...

Jowitt
Johnstone
Gibson
Jones-Bishop
Caton-Brown
Miller
Williams
Huby
Finn
England
Ashurst
Hadley
Arona

Subs.Fifita, Hirst, Wood,Kirmond

Was unfortunate that Grix had his 1st stinker of the season v Cas. Whether he was bad enough to justify giving Jowitt a chance to win his shirt back is debatable though.

Rather over critical 'stinker'. Yes he over weighted 2 grubbers, which had they come off, he would of been a hero.
Can't remember him spilling a high ball.
Sent a poor pass to Johnstone, but Gale sent quite a few along the ground.
Would say his Grix's game was not up to high standards he has been setting, but not a 'stinker'.

No, he didn't have a stinker you're right, not up to his usual standard yes, but the bullets he was deflecting weren't usual standard either.
And anyway, he isn't the best fullback in the league, Hardaker is.....apparently..

Just shows the high standard Scott Grix has set himself this season when two ineffectual kicks to the corner result in over the top criticism.