So I'm led to believe.

Is that true SC? and if it is is it down to the ground not been SL standard in size.

Thinking about it more does the RFL have a minimum size ground for SL rule anymore. Because with the League set up as it is, there is a chance of teams getting promoted that don't have a 10k+ ground.

Surely we would not become a championship club if there were definate and ongoing plans to develop Dewsbury in line with requirements re. Superleague.I would of thought MC already had that covered in any preliminary discussions, before he even made the idea public.

Have York court ever given any indication that they might fund a bv revamp ? Its now come to ahead ! for me it's nm but I really like the temporary stadium idea from vasty

As far as I understand there is no money to develop BV, so where exactly will the money be coming from to upgrade Dewsbury's stadium.

The RFL would allow a temporary move to Dewsbury provided there was a way back into playing within Wakefield so that means Newmarket or a redeveloped Belle Vue. They would not allow Wakefield Trinity to play in Dewsbury on a prermanant basis even if the ground could be brought up to SL standard but on that point where would the money to do it come from.

Michael and Chris's decision to move to Dewsbury is a decision that is being forced upon them due to the state of Belle Vue and that it fails to meet SL mininum standards on the number of seats and floodlighting levels just to name two. The Club does not have the money to upgrade Belle Vue and in any event as you are aware we don't own Belle Vue. So the move to Dewsbury can only be temporary if we wish to remain in Super League.

On Newmarket/Belle Vue all parties are still in discussions in an attempt to conclude a satisfactory outcome but we are getting to a point where time is no longer on our side, if it ever has been. If a satisfactory deal is not concluded in the very near future then there will be a Statement issued from the Stadium Trust and more than likely a Public Meeting like we had almost 2 years ago - doesn't time fly - to outline what has happened (or not) and where we take matters forward.

As soon as there is something to say, one way or the other, the Stadium Trust will announce it.

Thankyou for that information SC.So all the preceding debates and Vastman's plans to upgrade Dewsbury re. a permanent move there have been, to put it bluntly, a waste of time.
So basically what you are saying is that the options are pursuing the move to Newmarket, or somehow persuading Belle Vue owner in partnership with other parties to upgrade Belle Vue .
If neither of those are realised the championship is inevitable.
Pretty stark !

Pretty much but I have to say Vasty has some good ideas that may be useful to us.

Sandal Cat - you might not be able to answer this but, why would the RFL allow a club to relocate to a new stadium and maintain its SL status but not allow us to move to Dewsbury? It's not like we've gone bust and it's a new club. Would the rule be the same if the club decided to move to eg. Birmingham?

You are right, I cannot answer it, all I can say is that we would not be allowed to move to Dewsbury. In my opinion I think the RFL would be delighted if Michael was to suggest that he move the club to Birmingham or another city outside the traditional are but that is based on my view of the RFL.

Just think we could win the Challenge cup this year, Superleague the year after , and then chucked into the Championship as Superleague champions.

Development area Birmingham and non development Dewsbury that is the difference.
It looks like what is posted on here by the few hard core supporters is assumed to apply to all supporters.
I would say use this power wisely because a bad decision taken because it is thought those on here speak for all could see the end of our tenure in SL or even the club.
We all agree that Dewsbury is too small and inadequate for super league currently therefore it will need to be redeveloped and where will the investment come from. I can't see the point in us putting money into a facility that we do not own, if we are not able to put money into Belle Vue a ground we do not own.
I do not see the logic of a move to Dewsbury permanently because the only outcome would be our demise but this appears to be what the club is indicating. Belle Vue might be an embarrassment to SL but Dewsbury is also not up to standard and is not in the Wakefield area. What will SL think of a non development club playing in a stadium with a 5000 capacity.

Where has the Club indicated that any move to Dewsbury would be permanent because I have not heard or seen that ?

For arguments sake let us accept the RFL would stop us moving to Dewsbury due to the fact it is a non development area (forget about ground capacity that could be improved)

I wonder if the RFL would stop us moving to Fev, after all that's not in the Wakey City area and also a non development area.

Finally, what about a move to Cas IF !! they get their new stadium, do you think the RFL would also block that ?

Whats the deal with this 88m group? I thought that they were interested in working together to help try and resolve the ground issue?

I sincerely hope they do if that's ever contemplated!

We're not planning to move out of Wakefield permanently, and we will get our Stadium in our great City of Wakefield.
Keep the faith
Up the Trin

The saddest thing about all this is that we're on the threshold of probably our best performing season in Super League yet we have this Sword of Damacles hanging over our heads. I personally cannot see Trinity ultimately overcoming this hurdle and coming out the other side as the club we've all grown to know and love, and the move to Dewsbury will be the start of the rot. I've read all the pros and cons on this forum regarding the problem, but in the end whatever happens it will all require large sums of cash that we just don't have, and are never likely to have.

They are but they are another Developer. They have bought Belle Vue and Super Bowl and want a return on the investment and risk they have taken and who can blame them.

They are happy to see Belle Vue redeveloped but understandably they want a profit from the site.

So, in a nutshell, BV is so bad we probably have to move out after this coming season and go presumably to Dewsbury. That would be temporary only, so what happens then?
Nothing's going to change is it? Nobody will finance a stadium and I now think the slow death actually started when we got planning permission!

Am I right in thinking that although the club are only tenants at BV, the owner cannot sell the site while ever the club play there & have nowhere else to go?
If so, does anyone know what effect this has when negotiating the terms of the tenancy? Are there any limitations/protections on what they can ask for rent & length of tenancy?

If the above points are in the clubs favour surely there's a case to be made for the club to improve aspects of BV.
I understand the argument of not spending because you don't own it, but I'm not sure that's the right path to go down. Even if the club owned the ground, any money spent on facilities would ultimately be a loss as those items would depreciate over time, need to be replaced & have no real resale value. I know MC is an accountant so I'm sure he'Il have evaluated the cost of implementing improvements against what the club may lose in terms of people staying away and/or restricting attendances, but I honestly think the club has a better chance of growing the business from an improved BV rather than moving to Dewsbury - speculate to accumulate & all that.

From the outside looking in it feels like a game of poker between MC, the RFL, YC & WMDC & must be a horrible situation for fans to be in. I'm not sure I'd have the minerals to play the hand if I'm honest as there's simply too much at stake.

Well it's up to the club the trust and us fans to make sure we get our community stadium for our club and City.

Correct, or can just lie down and die, but we aint going to do that. We owe it to the 15,000 people who signed the petition, those who gave evidence at the Public Inquiry in support and heard the Council and the Developer make promises to HM Planning Inspector to deliver a Community Stadium in return for planning consent.

As I said earlier, lets hope a deal can be agreed and we all can end this happily.

Still can't understand why we haven't seen Sir Rodney (I Delivered the new Wembley Stadium ) Walker on the box (excuse the pun) regarding this matter. Both Calendar and Look North would be the ideal stage for RW to shame YC and WMDC over this. He's spoken on both these programmes previously about far less controversial matters, and it would put the problem into the far wider public domain. But there again they're all part of the Establishment aren't they?

Just to clear up where Newmarket actually is. Prior to 1974 it was in Rothwell Urban District Council area, the boundary with Stanley UDC being on the A642 just Leeds side of Moorhouse Estate Stanley. Rothwell UDC had the choice of whether to join Leeds or Wakefield Council areas in 1974 and chose Wakefield (a large part of Rothwell UDC (Lofthouse, RobinHood etc ) had Wakefield addresses and postcodes (and still has) and it was felt by the council that they would have more say in Wakefield rather than the bigger Leeds area. However some Lady Whatsittwerp decided that Rothwell should be in Leeds and that is where it went. So Newmarket became part of Leeds by default. Sometime later (2000?) the boundaries were redrawn and everything Wakefield side of the M62 (apart from Lofthouse which would have been split in two) was moved into Wakefield and by default that included Newmarket. Just so everybody is clear. I would say the site of the proposed ground is as big a distance inside Wakefield MDC as Dewsbury's ground is outside it. Not sure where people say the Wakefield City boundary is. It used to be near Pinderfields Hospital prior to 1974 and a sign still welcomes you to Wakefield there.