yes mate last 20 played Friday aswell

At the end of the day, what you are saying is that Cas are a better team than us.
Whether you know the basics or not, if the opposition line speed is as good as Cas, you are forced to pass under pressure and therefore do it badly. They do that to other teams too.

Playing together will improve our speed but we aren't just going to be Leeds in an off season. It'll take time to just be a good Wakefield.

Nice one, love to be stood near his dad if he scored against us! Be great to see him celebrate a Cas try!

Finn controlled the Leeds game and had a stormer....great signing etc...

Has an off game and gets panned now as not up to SL standard despite playing it for the last two seasons. Most games are won and lost in the middle as Avenger alluded to with defence pushing out..plus others talking about lack of yardage from the Trinity pack....we don't have a Wally Lewis who can win a game on their own virtually.

It's pre season guys and what it may show us is that Cas will be a top 4 team again this season.

Meanwhile Trinity were missing Mikael Simon and Scott Anderson who would be in the 17 every week. This would strengthen up the pack. I'm sure BS will be looking at his best 17 and players like Walton who is the size of a prop playing well at centre will be in contention IMHO.

Any injuries at half back though and we'll struggle.

Where did Walton play yesterday?

Lyne, Tupou, Gibson, Johnstone was the back lineup at first. I'd maybe like to see tupou on the wing and Walton in at centre for lyne.

has this sliding defence format cause confusion on where to stand, I was always taught as a winger make your man and really on your , as a was taught not always to commit until the player came to you or tried to go around you and make him feed to the winger in which you then can double up, are players in the middle condensing too much make the defence to much to do to cover on the wings

he set one up

we're definately not talking a round of ale here surely

I dont think anything was terribly wrong with the performance except that it was all just too slow. If you watched the leeds game where we played at a much higher tempo the contrast was clear. Leeds worked the ball out wide (as they generally do), but every time they did the defenders were there to snuff out the move and bundle the wingers into touch.
Against Cas we simply did not have the enthusiasm to get across quickly enough. How many Cas tries were milimeters from being hammered into touch?
It was generally a lack of urgency, that we conceded as many as we did.
Slightly more worrying was our lack of attacking threat , i thought Finns constant short ball asked no questions of Cas s defence.
We didnt have "fire in the belly" as the OP says and paid the price, hopefully when it counts we wont make the same mistake.

A view from the Wheldon road end.

Just a few observations from a position most of you were unable to see from, although some of it was obvious from where ever you were standing.

In the first 15 minutes I couldn't believe how easy it was looking. Your defensive line didn't seem to move up at all allowing Lynch, Jewitt, and Millington a 10 metre run before a hand was laid on them and then their momentum carried them further. Gale and Mcshane seemed to have been given the freedom of the pitch and yet from where we were stood some of your scrambling defence looked amazing when we looked certain to score. You seemed content most of the time to employ the 5 drives and a kick tactic. however on 2 occasions when you had set plays close to our line Finn seemed to be expecting runners who never materialised and this lead to 2 or 3 players arguing amongst themselves. (not always a bad thing) I wondered if that was why you then went back to the 5 drives ploy.

I think some are being a little hard on young Johnstone as he will very rarely face a any one else as fast as Denny.

For the last 20 minutes we had a back line of Monaghan, Crooks, Shenton, Denny, Rocky, and Gale. Add to that Luke Dorn zipping round the back and they'll test any one. Young Rocky got MOM against Fev but he impressed me more in his short spell against your selves, very cool head for a young kid and a lovely pair of hands that would be wasted at full back.

Some one earlier in the thread described the A and B markers as lazy well in those last 20 minutes you could substitute the word lazy for knackered as the whole team seemed to be shot.

Finally it may have been hard to see from the "railway end" but BJB looked very disinterested in the 2nd half and his kick returns were very half hearted and he just seemed to surrender to the kick chasers. Only a friendly I know but after the last few Cas tries the Wakey players were stood in separate little groups with their heads down rather than all standing together and talking to one another..

No doubt we'll all have a better idea after the league game when points are at stake.

id rather get it wrong in a rehearsal so im glad we lost gives us something to work on and then get it ok on the night when it matters

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Exactly! That's simply what 'friendly' games are.

Sorry my entry was poorly typed. I meant Walton has impressed so far and although didn't play yesterday may be in contention for a starting centre position when the season starts...

Lynne had a decent game against Cas didn't he? Scored a try and stopped a certain one on opposite wing hold one up over the line?

Still find it hard to understand why Wigan would loan Rocky Hampshire to Cas. Wigan and Cas will compete for a top four place, it may be that Cas finish in top 4 at the expense of Wigan, why loan one of the most gifted players of his generation to a team you are likely to compete with. Rocky would have been brilliant for us and we would never be a problem for Wigan.

Michael Carter tried his best to sign ryan wigan ultimately say where hes off.

Wingers coming in and getting done on the outside has been symptomatic at Trinity for quite some time regardless of who plays there or who coaches the team. Clearly the better teams are able to suck the defensive line into the middle which creates the overlap leaving the isolated winger with a choice of leaving a gap on the inside or on the outside. They're screwed either way. As Avenger and others have said the damage was done before the ball got to the flanks.

I've not been to any of the friendlies but the reports coming back about Lynne seem positive. they all get a clean slate with me but he was one who needed big improvements this year.

Although he would be everyone's favourite scapegoat, he's been our most consistent player in the pre season games.
Trinity "fan's" always need a couple of players to blame when things go wrong and for whatever reason he, wrongly, is top of most peoples list.
With the squad that we have at the moment, it looks like he will be playing on the wing and may well be our top try scorer this season.

With no Washbrook in the squad, who will the fans blame if/when we lose

I agree about Lyne. He has shown up well in the preseason.
I prefer him at wing as he really doesn't have the confidence to pass under pressure at centre.

He is a fast guy and a metre gainer on kick returns and a physically strong player.
He needs to practise the high ball based on previous outings but that isn't a big flaw particularly.

I'm not one for targeting players for grief, just think with Lynne he went backwards last year and if he doesn't pick up this year he won't reach his potential. We don't have space for passengers when every game is a struggle.

Could never understand the attitude towards Danny Washbrook, got my vote for player of the season last year.

Edited................I'm not even letting you start that derailment Tigerade. Leave it alone. Poptart

So you would leave Lynne out who was our best three quarter on Sunday?

I was saying that despite being our best player, people were still on his back, desperate for him to fail, which is just plain bizarre and as we appear to have more options at centre, he looks like having the left wing position for some time.

Atm he will be Smith's first pick in the backs and rightly so.

What I cant understand is that some "fans" want him to make mistakes, just so that they have an easy target.

I'd like to see Walton given ago along side Johnstone. Walton is strong in defence and quite quick for a big lad.

1. BJB
2. Johnstone
3. Walton
4. Tupou / Gibson
5. Lyne

Although, as much as BJB wants the FB spot. I'm still undecided as to whether this is his ideal position.
For me, I feel safer when a high ball goes up & Jordan Tansey is there, but we shall see how he goes.

I think the fact that Lyne has scored 2 tries is papering over the cracks. His general play is e. He scored a good individual effort against Featherstone and a walk in vs Cas. Looks no different to the Reece Lyne I saw last year. He is a lot slower than he used to be and he trundles about and seems to do everything very slowly with no aggression/physicality and tends to run lateral. If the last two friendlies are good/decent performances by his standards from people's comments on here then it goes to show how much we expect from a winger.