Maybe so,but their squad as more quality in depth than ours and will allways have.They will always have the pick of the crop,that's what money and success does I'm afraid,when they played the Roosters that showed that even our best clubs are well behind the ARL.....that's my excuse and I'm sticking to it.

Bowen was out, replaced by Hampshire
Charnley was out replaced by Manfredi
Goulding was out but they already had Sargison in as a replacement so Gelling and Thornley were back in as normal first teamers.
Burgess is clearly now a star man so is a first teamer

Half backs were the same.

And frankly, I'd have rather faced Bowen.

That's fair comment, because of course I wasn't at the game. If I had paid my twenty quid and given up my afternoon, I would be a lot less happy. I'm looking at it purely from the perspective of the season.

Salford? Yes, not a better time to play them, but we had key players fresh off a plane, and if our second half was a reflection of how we will be, then it could come good. Bradford was the game that was the sickener, particularly because it was such a four-pointer. I'm just not ready to hit the panic button yet. If we can restart our season at the weekend and beat Catalan and then London, and beat either Hull KR or Cas, then the season starts to look a little brighter. If so, by June Bradford will look like just a bad day at the office, and the Wigan score will be one of those expected ones.

Win just two out of the next six, then I agree we are in real trouble, as the Bulls could well have overtaken us by then. If we can't stay above them with a six-point start, I agree we're out and deserve to be.

Performances aside, I just can't help feeling that we've only dropped two points from our expected haul so far. I'm not optimistic about the season, but I'm not one for the panic button.

Not quite sure where the "There for the taking" comes from when you look at their line up, Charnley wasn't rested he was dropped for poor form and as Bren says, Hampshire offers more of a threat than Bowen right now. The rest are all first team and SL regulars

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Well guy,s i did not see the game so can not coment, so from a distance i,d say we put 24 points past the best superleague team on their own turf so if we can sort our defence out which we have bolsterd by adding nick scruton, well who knows we may be suprised.

I don't want it to sound like I'm taking too much away but one try was a one on one steal and two were from interceptions.

Point being your attacking will need to improve heavily for the rest of the season rather than rely on luck.

However Sammut and Tuatai looked very good.

Are you serious that charnley was dropped ,I know he couldn't catch Jennings twice but he scored two trys in his last performance the world club championship is that bad form, if we dropped players out of form we wouldn't have a team

This group were also sat behind me. When challenged about their comments they couldnt see what was wrong with it! Players need our support, not shouting abuse at them, even if we get frustrated.

Never said they were there for the taking, I said most beatable in terms of line up - didn't expect a win but did expect a lot better performance. I mean what will Wigan do to us at full strength 60 -20?

I didn't see anything to say he was dropped. Manfredi has been pushing for game time recently anyway.
I assumed Charnley was rested rather than dropped.

Thanks Phil Clarke; I think you'll find that you make your own luck - the interception didn't just land in his hands and both tries still needed scoring.

Jesus - give us a bit of hope!

And if it was the other way round,it would have been the best thing since sliced bread.....respect the ball at all times you should know that...shouldn't you

They were well finished but I think the point he was making was they weren't a result of your own attacking play. Having not seen the game, someone commented that, because of the 24 points scored, your attack must be ok and you just need to sort out the defence but only one of the tries scored was created by your own attack, so to speak.

On the other hand, get the ball in Sammut's hands as much as possible against the likes of London and you'll run up a cricket score. He looked very dangerous at times.

Best of luck with the rest of the season.

As one of those you are possibly referring to, I will support the players when I see effort worthy of that support and did support those players who put the effort in. However, these are pro RL players and some of the errors and lack of effort served up was embarrassing. I don't subscribe to blindly supporting people that was the problem with glover and Elston anyone who questioned what they were doing off the field was shot down and look how that turned out.

You will see on another thread that I did actually suggest criticising players in this key season maybe counter productive, but I can't help saying it how I see it and mathers yesterday seemed to be trying to avoid making tackles which should be simply not acceptable to anyone connected with the club.

I know all that mate, but you know when it's still raw and you're trying to find a reason to turn up on Sunday, you need some hope to cling on to, not cold hard facts!

This

Tricky don't punish yourself mate ,I've pointed out mathers lack of courage since he's been at the club people on here have defended him I must say consistently , but and I say this with respect people who do can't have ever been involved with the physicalities of the game the mans a showman he might fool some with his gestures arms flying about as if he's organising things he don't fool me

Quote ="try scorer"Are you serious that charnley was dropped ,I know he couldn't catch Jennings twice but he scored two trys in his last performance the world club championship is that bad form, if we dropped players out of form we wouldn't have a team'" www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-league/26419227 Quote "He was dropped," Wane explained. "He knows that and knows he needs to improve to get back in the team." '"

Quote ="try scorer"Are you serious that charnley was dropped ,I know he couldn't catch Jennings twice but he scored two trys in his last performance the world club championship is that bad form, if we dropped players out of form we wouldn't have a team'" www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-league/26419227 Quote "He was dropped," Wane explained. "He knows that and knows he needs to improve to get back in the team." '"

I bet you stand in the queue at Tesco and hurl abuse at the checkout guy who isn't working as fast as you think he should... Or packing the carrier in the most efficient way?

Or are you the supervisor who screams at the labourer for not moving bricks fast enough...?


Did you stand by your wife during the birth of your children and criticise for her not putting enough effort into it?


Why not? If you think about it I am sure you have every right to see it that way... Are you consistent in the way you manifest your attitudes into behaviour?

I accuse you of not calling this fairly... You are the victim of 'group think' and unable to go against the opinions and attitudes of your peer group... You have created a mind set which would be embarrassing for you to change... Even if you wanted to...


See a therapist before this condition starts to pop up in other areas of your life...


Or maybe you are like the rest of us who use our passion for sport as a way to get rid of our excess testosterone, to purge our bodies of the stresses of life... That's fine... Just don't make personal!

That's called abuse..

I am quite capable of forming my own opinion like I did when I concluded that glover and Elston were making a mess of things, got shot down along with a few others but stuck to my line of thought. Same as I will do here. The problem in this day and age is everything is too PC and there's little in the way of accountability,

Anyone who went yesterday and was paying attention would have noticed Mathers abject performance and him ducking out of making tackles.

I am being criticised for being one of those who is not doing what people believe a supporter should be doing. I have criticised mathers for not doing what a pro RL player should be doing. What's the difference?

Just replacing Mathers and Lyne would save us 12 - 18 pts a game conceded, I'm convincedof it. Of course Agar loves them like his sons so that won't happen...and meanwhile Mariano...face don't fit = out = what we knew fo Hull fans before he got here. Of all the things Glover's regime got wrong, the appointment of Richad Agar, an unproven SL coach with no record to speak of, to replace a man who made us a respected team, one who nobody rested easy playing, was top of the list. If there is any way out of the situation, any leeway in his contract that we can afford to sack him, then for God's sake do it

They don't like it mate when you speak the truth or criticise. I was not at Wigan but you are not telling me anything I haven't seen before. I have seen Mathers bottle tackles. As for catching a bomb, I'g give my gran, were she alive, an evens chance of doing as well. I am bored of talking about Lyne. Sykes is getting past his used before date. He isn't really a stand off and seems to not function as well as he used to at centr..as for his goal kicking, he shouldn't take another, he is hopeless. But don't be ngative...it's only 3 games in...blah blah blah blah blah..we'v had 2 seasons and 3 matches of largely the worst RL we have played in a long time and, I'm sorry happy clappies, some of us have more than had out fill

I agree PC concepts have been taken too far, like many other methodologies created to achieve parity and justice there are those who have missused and corrupted the intent. I agree that accountability is blurred (i have never known a time where it wasnt) but that should not be a shield for the blame and litigation culture that pervades society todey...

What you miss in your argument is respect... where is that...? in all its faces...

I am sure left at that, you would say that respect has to be earned... and I would retort that it is impossible to earn the respect of those who have prejudice against you.

All have the right to comment, believe something and be vocal but no one has the right to bear prejudice.

(p.s. that was fun to write, quite cathartic!!)

What was the other option to Agar? Millward? that would have ended well. There wasn't much moaning going on the end of his first season in charge, last season no doubt the off field stuff effected the squad. This season at the end of sept we didn't think we'd have a squad to compete, now we have a team that I feel is better than last seasons but overseas players only arriving 2 weeks ago 1 still to arrive Sammut and Scruton just signed, we will click and us supporters will be there supporting the lads.
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