Rumor or not, what he comes out with most of the time is absolute e.

And happens to be Hull KR assistant coach and they seem to be tapping our players at present. Conspiracy theory??

It's absolutely essential that we keep Amor and our props IMHO unless Wilkes wants too much £££ for a final year in Super League before he retires ( if he is up to it). It's a key position, off load dead wood not key players like Amor, that should be building your team around over next 2 years.
We need to keep our strong pack which will be needed along with signing a proven 6 and another winger (but with real pace that can tackle)if we are to improve next year. Tyson and Addy plus a Lee Gaskell would be good with Kay hopefully getting more of a look in next season with Sykes.
Any decent wingers looking for a club? Is Cowling quick enough to be put there?

You might be right. Just offering an alternative suggestion as to why he may have been there Sunday

I agree - there are a number of alternatives that could be employed to ensure that player movements are handled in a less underhanded way than the current model; agents have a built-in incentive to behave in such a way that their activities have an adverse effect on clubs - it's far from ideal.

I would also look at restricting the ability of SL clubs to poach young players from out of area - as a junior community club, we're subject to positively draconian rules and regulations around attracting and signing new players, whereas SL clubs appear to be able to act with impunity.

In my time watching Bradford I’ve seen the effects of this from both sides as poacher and poached! I do agree with you. It seems that agents can get away with some pretty sharp practice and it goes unpunished, meanwhile the clubs losing the player don’t get adequately reimbursed. I do wonder how you police agents though. For example the Kopczak episode would never have been revealed had the Mason case not gone to court. As far as I’m aware his agent has had no sanction for being part of that move.

On young players wasn’t there once a rule that SL clubs could only sign under 16s from their own service areas? Has that been changed? A problem I have with that is that some SL clubs do nothing for the amateur clubs in their area yet benefit from having all that player resource to draw upon. Other clubs might work very hard but have far fewer clubs to work with and suffer in comparison.

In the end it comes down to money, at Bradford we’ve lost many good young players recently that we’ve spent a lot on developing but it’s mainly been down to our lack of money and some poor decisions by those in charge at the club. Any rules being brought in shouldn’t be there to make allowances for poorly run clubs.

I wouldn't police agents at all - I'd just get rid of them in their current incarnation; as someone else suggested, have the movement of players handled by the RFL or better still, have the new players union represent their members during contract negotiations. Remove the incentive to tout players around in the first place and it will have a much less unsettling effect on the clubs who find, train and employ them.

As for juniors - I don't think that service area rule can still exist, based on the scholarships I know some lads have taken up this year. And don't get me started on the lack of support for junior clubs - when your own league appears to be working against you, it becomes clear you're on a hiding to nothing.

Amor n cockayne signed for hullkr I'm told this morning, sad news if true, we should be getting rid of off the field staff before our team imo.

Cockayne I could believe. Amor, if he were to be offloaded, I would've thought Trinity would generate an auction rather than accepting the first offer. I think bigger clubs then HKR would be interested in a young SL proven prop about to come into his prime. That's why I find the Amor to KR hard to believe.

It's from a mate of mine with links to someone on kr staff, he reckons that josh hodgsons leaving kr too.

Kyle Amor was bidded for by KR, doesn't mean he will go. Cockayne is pretty much a done deal according to 'Sir Richard Agar'

I was in costa in town yesterday and Kyle Amor said he was going somewhere else next season to his mate but I did not Ihear which club and did not want to believe it

Starbucks?

Well, I think that if we do sell Cockayne and Amor we as fans should demand that Elston is removed as CEO as he appears to be one the most inept CEO in super league. It's a disgrace that we are in this position again and Elston should be held accountable but the buck stops with Glover.

Must say it does seem rather 'immoral' to be cajoling fans to buy season tickets when people are so unsure as to what the squad will be like.
Smith T n L plus Ben n Amor not exactly fringe players.
Rumours need to be quashed now if they are false.

Don't get it. Danny Kirmond, probably the hottest property in SL at the moment signs an extended contract, presumably as he feels we have a future but then we hear that Amor and Cockayne have signed for Hull KR, a Club who about this time last year were in danger of going into administration. Tim Smith is signing for Salford and Lee Smith is signing for Wigan/Castleford/Bradford (strike out who you wish). Plus there was the rumour that Washbrook was also Hull KR bound.

Doesn't add up to me. Perhaps the rumours are just that rumours but if true we are really in the brown stuff.

In all fairness to the club they can't do much about rumours. There is no doubt that a great deal of bad publicity about the club has found its way into certain sections of the press.

Other clubs pick up on this and yet again we are seen as a soft touch and you get a bit of a feeding frenzy in respect of some of our better players.

Other than ride it out ,the only thing we can do is release some positive news. So if the club have done any player deals I would think they should announced ASAP . If we keep quiet and do nothing it only breeds further doubt and suspicion .

A player told my mate and a bloke overheard a conversation in Costa - I won't get the rope out just yet.

The best we can do is not spread them, most people who don't have accounts come on here to look at the stuff that has been put.

Correct .

The daddy of them all, the fact that we need to cut our playing budget by £200,000 was not started by anyone on here.

That's exactly what I feel.
It does not make sense and is illogical .
If turns it out to be true Kirmond ,Syke etc will surely feel that they have been conned?

A few interesting points worth noting:-

1. Clubs should manage their finances better and more prudently and leave sufficient headroom in their budgets to be able to better protect themselves from one-off events (such as the Eric France debacle).

2. Players are bound to become unsettled when a club receives CCJs and winding up petitions by HMRC. These players have mortgages/bills to pay and families to provide for like you and I, and are well within their rights to seek to maximise their income and importantly the security of that income.

3. Rugby club management often tout players to other clubs without the players knowledge, so as to extricate themselves from a contract which the club signed but no longer wish to pay for.

4. Agents act in the best interests of the players who they represent. There is a market for players to move between clubs and most players require/seek advice on how to maximise the return for their ability. Its a short career as a rugby league player.

Unfortunately it is the loyal season ticket paying fans who suffer when the club finds itself in a bad place financially (whether self determined or not) as its usually their beloved team's best and favourite players who look to move elsewhere for a more secure income to pay their bills/mortgages and feed their families.

Well according to Nick Rigg Wakefield Express Elston says there is no substance in Amor rumours and new contract negotiations are on going.
Also indicated Ben was staying put after HKR offer rejected.