I wouldn't either, it'll ruin the fuel consumption

Oi!!!!!!!!

Well said, especially the last paragraph.

So are you guys saying that what we've seen this year is acceptable and that people will pay to watch it?

I don't as yet see how we're going to end up any higher than last year, which seems to be a travesty to AG who's money has helped to recruit a significantly better squad than last years.

The other problem being that our crowds are noticeably thinning out - and will continue to do so if we fail to pick up the tempo on the pitch. All this will eventually mean that investment in the side will shrivel and die and we will be back where we started.

The only people that I have any issue with are the players and coaches - they need to get their sights focussed and get some results on the board - and quick!

A win against Wire - daft as it sounds - would end this debate almost overnight (for a while at least!)

Come on Phil, you know me and I am not happy with the way things are going on the pitch but I think anyone who thought we were going to suddenly transform 17 new signings (mainly made up of players that other teams didn't want) into a top 8 side in the space of half a season was being unrealistic.

I think we are lacking some of the grit and determination that we have seen from Wakefield sides of the past and maybe some of that is actually down to the fact that we have a bit more money to spend and are not totally relying on the backs to the wall spirit of previous campaigns.

I also don't agree with some of the decisions the coach has made re who makes the 19 and then the actual make up of the 17 from that.

However we are where we are, with a brand new squad, brand new coach, assistant, conditioner etc.

It has to be a slow building process from there to get us where we want to be in 2 or 3 years time.


Having said all of that we were led to believe that RA was very knowlegeable about our youth setup and the players in there but as yet he has still to prove that to be the case. As I said before I think now is the time to start blooding a couple of them per game to get them ready for next season when they should play a bigger part. We need them to, we need local lads who are going to have some pride in the shirt.


However if we can finish 10th or 11th then we have done OK, at the moment that is not exactly out of our reach is it?

What I'm saying is that some people should demonstrate the same forbearance for the new regime that you used to preach for the old one, and that was after years of poor results, as opposed to just a few months.

We were always going to be fighting for a place in the bottom third this season - if we're doing the same thing next year, then I'll join you in negativity corner; for now, I just wish people would be realistic.

This.

and this.

Read my quote back Bren - I have sympathy for the new owners! If you're going to pontificate - get it right!

I happen to believe that our players are better than last years and I want more from them - I certainly would for the extra Wonga on offer - and no, I don't accept that I'm wrong for wanting more - I've been through enough crap thank you very much!

I want nothing more than for this to end - but I don't see an end in sight - yet!

I don't imagine for a minute that AG and Co feel that they need sympathy and certainly not when it comes to RA, in whom they've placed their trust and confidence; rather, they probably want exactly what I've asked for - patience, realism and a bit of faith in the fact that this year was very much about rehab and recovery, working towards rebuilding and planning for the future.

If you expected anything more from this season than what you're getting, I'd suggest that the fault lies with your expectations.

#2012yearofthewildcats



Come on - I don't think I'm the only one who was expecting more - in fact I reckon people are adjusting their expecatations downwards in order to make themselves more comfortable with where we are.

With that squad we SHOULD be better than we are - and when I turn up for a game I expect my team to do so too. I really don't think I'm asking too much in that!

I feel a combination of frustration, disappointment and anger that we are in this situation - more so because it was obvious where we were heading earlier in the season when no one wanted to listen to me then either - I feel like a fart in a spacesuit at the moment! (I really should get used to that!

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This, unfortunatly!

Being one of those lesser mortals who knows sweet FA because I have not played the game for a living, I am with TRB and stupidly expecting a little more this season. Not having a dig at you but surely if this was a rebuilding job we would have a makeshift squad and coach. But we havn't, we have a squad and coaching staff signed up for three seasons(all bar a few).
So in my very simplistic way I just can't see how what we have now will suddenly be light years better because they will be playing in 2013 and not 2012.

However you have also said the word 'rebuilding' if by that term you diplomaticaly mean a mini clearout of some of our overseas contingent , then if this were to happen I may also feel more confident.

lol only just seen this thread

At the moment, I am struggling to want to go to games. It involves a lot of travel for me, on a motorway that is limited to 50mph for half of the way, and so it involves some effort and expense. In past years, the struggles against adversity and sometimes the promise of good times, with play-off finishes, have made it all worth while. I thought we had turned the corner, but we are basement-dwellers again, and I have no confidence at all for the rest of the season. We have no chance of the play-offs, and we will finish thirteenth. I won't be renewing my season ticket (although I will, when I'm in a better mood).

I have given Agar the benefit of the doubt so far, but I have run out of benefit. It's not as if he comes with credentials from anywhere else, because he doesn't.

We should have given Kear a chance with a good squad, and let him build it. Now, we have a "job for my mate" coach and a wasted season. I'm not wasting any more afternoons or petrol.

As if he would

Your entitled to your opinion, you've earned it - not a 100% with you just yet but you make some valid points. Fart in a space suit, welcome to my world

TBH I think Bren's plea for realism and time is right, however I share with you your frustration too.
Clearly we all would like to be in a stronger position, but the league table is only half written at present.
We have a team capable of finishing the season better than last years, who had pretty much run their blood to water by now.
The pressure is on both Agar and Elston IMO though, because as much as this is the first year of the great rebuilding process, to finish with less points than last years squad managed would be considered abject failure on their behalf.
That would have a knock on effect on next years income and only delay if not derail the growth of the club.
So as has already been said, let's give them some time, but let's not be afraid to give them a kick up the jacksy too if and when it's needed.

New Rangers FC buyer pulled out today due to negative fans reaction, wonder what Glover thinks when he reads this forum?

Does anybody know, and I mean actually know not guessing/hearsay, how much we are spending on wages this year? How that compares to what other clubs are spending? How much more has been spent this year than last?

I think Kear raised our expectations by performing miracles on a shoestring budget. I think it was thought that just to bring in a 'bigger' 'newer' name with a bit more money to spent couldn't fail to be better but so far it has. I am guessing that we are still pretty low down in the wages league and the team while significantly better in places than last years team is hardly aweinspiring and wont be for some time until we catch up to other teams and are able to offer bigger and better deals. We are still one of the under dogs and for that you need somebody who can get the very best out of, in the main, fairly average players. I reckon Harbin, Kear, McNally would all get better results with this team than Agar that's not to say they are better coaches just that they are the sort of coach that we still need and will continue to need until we are able to spend a bit more on players.

That's a very good point, but the question remains whether the "motivator" type coaches you mentioned would be able to improve the structures at the club and the technical abilities of the players at every level to make us competitive in the long term. I'm not trying to claim that Agar can - I don't know enough about his methods to judge him one way or the other on that - but I think the guys you mentioned, whilst they would no doubt improve the 1st team in the short term by way of points and results, would only be papering over the cracks, very much as Kear had to do in the past.

The fans may just have to tough this one out, if we really want to see improvement in the long term on sustainable budgets. We'll never be the big spenders of rugby league, Newmarket or no Newmarket, unless someone who dwarfs Andrew Glover's wealth steps in and throws his/her loose change at everything. It's disappointing, but we should be used to that emotion by now.

This bunch of players should be doing miles better than we had last season with the exeption of Morrison they are a class above what we had.Go through the squad numbers and tell me otherwise for heavens sake I can now see why the codheads couldnt understand Agars logic with the subs bench or who he selected for what position.I like others was willing to give him the benefit but we are now almost half way through the season and look like we are in reverse gear not going up the gearbox.My benefit of doubt with Agar has run out he needs to start and get this lot motivated and stop playing players out of position more so in the forwards.

The problem being that it's all well and good talking about it being a 3 year project or a long term project but as we see on this board week in week out and as we will soon start to see in attendances a good number of people are much more interested in the here and now rather than 2, 3 even 5 years time. This especially true when, as you say, people are unsure if the man who has been given the job of turning these things around is actually up to the job. I imagine that the grand plan is that in 3 years time Agar will be leading a team at Newmarket which includes at least a handful of good youngsters that have come through the ranks but that seems a long way off at the moment. I appreciate that it is a difficult balancing act and only time will tell if we are going in the right direction with the right man at the helm.

This - in a nutshell!

I think the reason attendances have soared this season is because a lot of returning fans see hope with a new owner who so far has delivered what he promised. I firmly believe that the majority of these returning fans will continue to attend but only if there is some spirit, desire to win, grit, heart-call it what you will-shown by the players.
I for one cannot forgive heads going down and cavalier attitude when 'performing' on the pitch. I feel sometimes the 'old head' is missing from the pack to give the players some hard words of encouragement! A 'Brian Lockwood or Mick Morgan' would do. I'll watch 'em all season win or lose if they try but I admit they are stretching my patience this season. Reminds me very much of the Bobby Goulding, Steve Mcnamara era!