Well just watched Hull FC play just as badly as us, get stitched up by the ref and also play a ball with no one ready and the opposition ran round and got possession. It was like reliving a nightmare.

Don’t get your point regarding players retention? Apart from Westerman who have we not retained?

Johnty Parkin has gone to Hull KR for £100. Do keep up.

The knock on the ref gave against the Hull player when the ball went backwards was a bad one especially when K R scored from the scrum

As already mentioned by many on here, a bad night at the office. Fortunately for us theres 21 games to go to try and win. We all know its going to be an uphill struggle , buts its not as though this is the first time its happened to us in superleague. Every season we are written off and we`ve still avoided the drop. One day it will probably catch us up, but we`ve been in this league more seasons than the likes of Bradford Bulls and continuously longer than Cas and Shudds. So have a rant at the result but remember, this club as been punching well above its weight for the last 23 years.
Finally why have a forum if its only to have a personal spat with someone who is probably stood a few metres from you shouting for the same team.

That's the problem though, the clubs not progressing.
The growth of the clubs been restricted and starved of investment at a level that would enable the club to develop.
Before people start on about survival, yes I agree in the early days MCs starvation policy was required, but we are now 8 seasons in.
CC always said money was very tight he then changed it not available, he like Poaching was starved of money and restricted.
Just need MC to bend his rules a little and have faith in the coach to spend any increase Wisley.

You are mixing up growth of club with build better team. They are not the same thing.
Doing the second before the first puts you where Bradford are.
Building the academy, building the stadium and building the corporate involvement have all moved forward as far as I can see.

We’ve certainly damaged the short term cash flows with that performance, is it just my thinking or do we always seem to shoot ourselves in the foot when we get anywhere near a decent turnout ,if 5500 is a decent turnout for our so called derby game , then treat the newbies to what they’ve been missing . From a financial point of view it was like committing harakiri and really feel for the powers that be trying selling a product that is sub standard . We seem destined to skirt the lower end of super league attendances for quite a while going forwards and the impact that will bring on player retentions and future signings .

Think it was down to Chester wasting money on injury prone or past it players is the reason why we are were we are now.Think his last 3 signings to improve the team this season prove the point .

Change the chuffing record please.

There is nothing wrong with the club it’s the players who are under performing. They are more than good enough to beat Cas but decided to play like clowns.

I think he ment who we have kept.i personnally dont think arona is as bad as some make out for the others well its easy for us to say who should of resigned and who shouldnt i for one felt it was time for ashurst and crowther to go but we dont do the finances and somone to replace them may want double there wage..as already said this season is about finishing no lower than 11th then hopefully with the ongoing ground improvements and willie signing players ( dont forget gaskell and lineham where chesters signings)hopefully things on the field will improve

Sorry Vasty but the club have underperformed.
Its interesting how you seem to think you have the bagging rights for the players after years of defending them

In what way?

I'd say the club has performed as expected with a limited budget and small supporter base. 2017/2018 it performed better than expected. We can all argue about speculating to accumulate but that is no guarantee of success and if we don't have the success then we are back to being the basket case of a club who had wind up order after wind up order in the off season.

Personally I don't feel we do enough off the pitch to build the supporter base up or get the club into the local populations minds. Twitter and Facebook posts preach to the converted.

I would imagine Michael Carter to be comfortably well off especially in comparison to most on here, but not wealthy enough to impart his hard earned into the club in serious quantities like some owners, that being so he has to generate the cash by whatever means open to him which I would imagine to be very difficult, I doubt is as simple as some people on here believe it is, If he employs a coach I'm pretty sure the only input he'll have on a signing is a financial one that's assuming the player wants to come on the clubs terms which is his responsibility, he can't make sponsors spend their money if there are better options out there, usually we can only attract the players others don't want, that then seeps down to attracting new fans, it's all that simple, I wish I'd have done it years ago, Don't know how much of a wage if any he takes from the club, but for me it won't be as much as he deserves.

What a dim post.

Two completely different issues.

If you think Trinity have underperformed in recent years you are even more clueless than you appear and that’s saying something.

I’m a fan I’m entitled to bag players after Thursdays, we all are. Defending them in the past has been fairly easy as they have done very little wrong.

So by your logic you can’t criticise a performance unless you have criticised constantly. Brilliant logic.

The problem with all that Vasty is that everyone can bag players but in the past you have u. Have jumped on anyone who has.
Il respond to the rest of your post when I can be bothered.

Chissitt. When you say that we only get players that other clubs don`t want its probably due to the fact we are still fighting to avoid the drop, no player would commit a long term contract to that situation normally, but I see it as a shrewd business deals by the club to get some brilliant deals through . When we signed Big Dave that was probably one of the biggest scoops of 2016 and for him to be here 6 years on is some good negotiating. Keeping Tom Johnstone here every season is some feat, as it would seem easier to cash in on him when wire and whinos were showing an interest in him. Although Milky was released by Hull , at the time he was touted as a top player as he was a junior kangaroo half back. Admitted that we don`t freshen the squad as regular as other teams but I think if we did that we would`nt be in the top tier.
when I read some of the posts on here I imagine some the ages they are, because as others have written the position we are in is nowhere near as bad as the early 80s.

Jumped on who exactly. There are plenty of posters on here who have posted negative comments about players who I make no comments on. Problem for you is I can spot those with an agenda, you being one.

Your such a clever person Vasty, and a mind reader it now seems.

I wasn't being disrespectful to any player, It was said in the context of my post to those who show little faith in Michael Carter, some people are quick to criticise but don't have an alternative, money is tight, we punch well above our weight, there are clubs in the lower divisions wealthier than us, but year after year we battle on against the odds, all the best players are snapped up by the money clubs, now and then we drop on but in the main we have to take a chance and hope they come good, the ground holds us back lack of funds for the best players hold us back, keeping the players we have is not as difficult as attracting new ones to the club, if our players are happy it's easier to offer them more when we already have them because we know what we've got and the risk is not as big as risking money we don't have if it doesn't come off, that's the way life is we haven't got money to waste, that's why we've got players a lot on here complain about unfortunately, at least shudds and Leeds and Warrington don't come sniffing around no more, that must be some comfort, but remember there's also a price to pay to keep them which comes off the budget for new recruitment those players we have signed aren't bad players overnight, it's up to the coaching staff to get the best out of them.

This sounds crazy but the worst thing that could have happened is trinity winning at wire twice cos all trinity fans expectations have gone through the roof

With hindsight the cup win def did us no favours … playing Wigan 4 days before the cas game was a disaster for us .

The only bile coming out is coming from you my friend, and I really do suggest before you quote that you get your facts right.

Just for the record, I left at my own will at the end of April 2013, when Glover was still in charge, to take up my old role back in Malta, and at my leaving interview, they wanted to keep me, but it was just as much a lifestyle change as well as huge increase in salary. It couldn’t be matched. I only returned to the UK a couple of years later, due to ailing health of parents.

I have move on, as I am back in that industry I went back to, as an operations manager, I have moved on, and wish some others would

Don't mate for the love of god don't.

There are simply some things you can't unsee