No wonder we find it difficult getting fans through the gates at Trinity when, after a poor match in an otherwise fantastic season, gets certain supporters moaning and being negative about the team. I don't think fans of their favourite band go off them if they happen to bring out a poor record.

Was Jowitt injured?

Don't think jowitts injured but it's prob the perfect time to give him a few games as grixy hasn't looked comfortable at the back last 2 games. Not a criticism as such as he's been great all season but jowitt went well in his last game and if we are going by form then it's max's turn.

Gives the moaners an excuse not to buy season tickets or subscribe to Club 1873.
And say 'I told you so'.
How anyone can't be happy that we are one win away from securing our top 8 place with loads of games left, which will lead to Batch, Max, Jordan and any other promising juniors being given game time without the pressure or threat of the middle 8's looming.

As someone who lived through watching Trin in the old second division I very much doubt that seeing Grix have a another defensive stinker, would make me throw the towel in just yet.

I was lucky enough to see the 60's team of Trinity. However those years you mention were really grim and that's when we lost many fans who never returned.

Even so we have had our share of grim times in SL, so one away loss is nothing at all, can't understand all the fuss from some people.

Especially when all of the gloom is around sending a "squad player" out on loan and keeping a promising youngster in the camp ??
Walker wouldn't have saved us on thursday, even if he could have played as an extra player.

Let's hope that Cas inflict some damage on Hull tomorrow and give them a real tough workout.
If they struggle physically and with the shorter turnaround, we may just have a chance

It reminds me of the 62-0 drubbing of Wigan last year....they had a bad day at the office then, but they picked themselves up, brushed themselves down and went on to win the Grand Final !!
There's no reason why we can't do the same

Sometime on this forum there is an astonishing lack of honesty - see the Embarrassed thread for that.

So lets honestly decipher what Leedscat says and then decide if he's a total fool or whether this is just another 'lets make the word a nicer place' thread. Please imagine i said that in a sarcastic tone.

Most of the anger seems to revolve around young Crowther, and Leedscats saying he's not up to SL standard and not as good a Batchelor and whether his playing made any difference. to the score.

1: At this moment he probably isn't SL standard, that would be why he hasn't got many outings. So 1 - 0 to Leedscat. That begs the question, will he ever be SL standard. Well loads of coaches think so, all more knowledgeable than anyone on here so back to 1-1.

2: Is he as good as Batchelor. No. Batchelor is a freak, he's almost certainly the most complete 19 year old forward in SL - hardly denies Crowther a future does it. 1 - 2 to the forum.

3: In his initial post I can't see where Leedscat actually blames Crowther, rather he states what he perceived as a lack of ability. It's important because the former is opinion and it's a wrong one. Though despite what some say Crowther was on when Salford scored from memory and was partly at fault for a second half try (sorry haven't watched it again yet, to painfull), however it was a 50/50 that even Nigel Bell or Ray Price might have missed in their prime. The latter is subjective, if Leedscat doesn't rate him then that his perogative. I do but lets be honest he's yet to play his 'arrival' game - to be fair he needs to soon, thats just the nature of the game, I'll call it a draw 2 - 3.

Overall then he's wrong in what he said though his poor attempts to justify rather than be reasonable have not helped him.

However the truth is Leedscat is actually a total maggot - why? Because he refers to Crowther as 'Jordy'. That is a term of endearment used by people who know and rate the kid - not people who put the knife in. You see this guy will be the sort of wally who continually slags young players of, but when they make it comes on stating that he was one of those who doesn't mind admitting he got it wrong. You know the sort, total fake. It's not acceptable to do that, you either back youth and give them every chance or you demand we sign other clubs cast offs, you can't have it both ways.

So Jordy, don't worry, keep plugging away and it's not over til the fat lady things - we all get our moment and we all develop at different rates.

I'm 55 and still waiting on both

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As for the rest of the team, simply jaded, depleted and not up for it. Salford and especially Lui were on fire in the first half almost unplayable. I suppose credit that we kept the score that low. Hirts knock ons and Grix now two match inability to catch a ball were the glaring errors but it went much deeper than that. Just a bad day in the one competition we nearly always fail to perform in.

Not sure what honesty has to do with it, he voiced his opinion on Walker being allowed to leave and unfortunately made the mistake of comparing him with a junior player, not very bright thing to do but never the less it's his opinion, which in the great scheme of things is trumped by your opinion, and fwiw I don't recall seeing in the opening post anything concerning Batchelor.

So by your own admission he probably isn't SL standard and a very generous decision of yours to award him a point, baring in mind that was his original point, It would be interesting to know who these loads' of coaches are, excluding those on here, but once again playing to your rules where only your opinion counts you award yourself another point, well done.

You have criticised the OP for comparing Walker with Crowther then go on to compare Crowther with Batchelor, who you then for some reason go on to call him a freak bet his mum and dad will love that, guess what another made up point for you, seeing as said before the OP never mentioned him.

Once again that's very generous of you to call it a draw after admitting it's his perogative to have an opinion even though his is wrong and yours of course is spot on.

Popular opinion on here would judge him as being wrong with his OP myself included, I'm sorry but the only person on here what's made a poor attempt to justify him having an unreasonable opinion.

It's not that long since certain posters on here were bagging Reece Lyne and look how he's come on this season

Lyne as always had speed which helps

Yes but, he WAS in a similar situation to where Crowther is at the moment, the potential was always there, it just hadn't risen to the surface, yet

Given a chance I believe Jordan is good enough for SL, but I would say that. I'm not that naive enough to not know when he's had a poor game, but to single him out by name when 20 nil down and the game gone away from us is pathetic. Regarding being at fault for a try, he was one on one with a prop on fire in SL 2yards out and did what he possibly could and yes I've watched it back. Jordan thinks he should have done better,his exact words were, " l have standards ". If he doesn't fit in at Wakey I'm sure other SL clubs may want to give him a chance.

Hope he gets more game time and stays with his hometown club, Wakefield. To come onto the field when we were completely out of the game and critisise him for his efforts is totally unfair to him. There were 17 players on Thursday night not just one.

Someone has mentioned that Anthony Walker was loaned out for the season, so we could sign Adam Walker from Saints.
Nobody in their right mind would have guessed that Adam Walker would get injured in his first game.
So do the club loan out Jordan or Anthony?
The coaching staff must think that Jordan offers more to the club and to the team long term.
If Anthony Walker rips it up at Rochdale, all well and good but if he doesn't, he'll probably sign there or elsewhere permanently.
Andy Ellis is now at York!

You really don't like it when somebody does a you - do you



As I say a staggering lack of honesty - people really don't see in themselves what they so readily see in others - you just don't get it do you - you're no more of a wise man than I am -it's all opinion and sometimes we get lucky.

Oh, and please lord stop the broken up quotes stuff, have you just discovered it or something? Makes you look like Smokey TA and you're not, nobody wants that.

Because of work and traveling distance I only get to see games either on Sky or on Trinity TV. My observations / opinions on this topic are,

Anthony Walker never looked like a Super League player of any stature and was never going to get regular game time.

Jordan Crowther may not be at the consistent level yet, but that is not a reason to pick him out for the loss, or to compare him to Batchelor. Batchelor is a once in a generation player.

The reason we lost is down to the lack of bodies. Pure and simple.

Whether young Jordan makes it only time will tell. From what I have seen of him so far there is nothing to suggest he won't make it. When watching the games he has been involved in, the only criticism (more of an observation) I would have is that sometimes he is guilty of trying to hard. As he matures and finds his style and more importantly his place in the team he'll become a good one. If you are expecting a world beater, you will be disappointed, but if you are looking for a player who will do small things properly for the good of the team well then you'll be a happy supporter.

Like I said this is just my opinion. The OP might be right, but I can't see it.

But you haven't done a me though, all you have done is try to make somebody look foolish for having an opinion different to your's not to mention the insults thrown in as well, not only that your so full of your own importance you appoint yourself judge and jury on the matter and dish out ridiculous points conveniently conjured up in your head .

Yes your right I am no more a wise man than you are or anybody else on here for that matter, the difference being is that I accept other peoples opinion even when I don't agree with them, where by god help anybody that does not agree with you and you resort to the bullying tactics and insults.

Regarding the broken up quotes I must apologise there, I thought I'd simplify matters for you and highlight your post as you clearly seemed confused, as for Smokey TA and the rest of your arch enemies on the VT and Leeds boards' I would have thought that perhaps you'd want to stay clear of them as they've all made you look some what stupid in the recent past, so maybe it's not such a good idea to bring them into your petty futile argument, just a thought.

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my worry is will we get another win in the next 5 to secure our super league status with all the injuries we have? will Warrington win the next 5? they seem to have a full squad at moment

Warrington have a full squad, are you taking the Michael?

Missing against Wigan on Saturday were: Russell, Evans, T King, Livett, Brown, Hill, Crosby, Westwood and Currie.

See you are back promoting your doom and gloom after a defeat, we have 3 home games and 2 away we have competed well at home loosing some by the odd point I expect us to win 3 of the last 5.

It's been really difficult for him, keeping quiet for so long, while Trinity have been beating everyone.
But, good to see him back championing Trinity's cause, not.

Quite fitting that he's on this thread.

We've got 10 pages on this and I think only one poster has put ant blame on Crowther.