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| Quote ="Sacred Cow"It's a pretty poor overall squad but i maintain this isn't the worst set of players we've had in super league (2011 springs to mind) but it is certainly the worst performing.'"
The current squad's performances make the 2011 squad look like Melbourne Storm.
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| Quote ="Sacred Cow"The only bit i disagree with is it was probably time a few weeks ago, the lad just isn't up to it. A good few of us on here tried pointing out the folly of going with a head coach with such little experience of first team coaching at any level but there you go.
It's a pretty poor overall squad but i maintain this isn't the worst set of players we've had in super league (2011 springs to mind) but it is certainly the worst performing. To allow it to continue and watch us meekly throw away our super league place is i'm afraid a dereliction of duty by those in charge of the club and they should be ashamed it's been allowed to get to this.'"
Sadly, I have to agree. I'd say it to John minards or Michael Carter right now, face to face. No disrespect, I know it's not easy running our club, but this is wrong. There's something wrong here and you need to try a more experienced coach. You've made a big mistake
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| Quote ="Sacred Cow"The only bit i disagree with is it was probably time a few weeks ago, the lad just isn't up to it. A good few of us on here tried pointing out the folly of going with a head coach with such little experience of first team coaching at any level but there you go.
It's a pretty poor overall squad but i maintain this isn't the worst set of players we've had in super league (2011 springs to mind) but it is certainly the worst performing. To allow it to continue and watch us meekly throw away our super league place is i'm afraid a dereliction of duty by those in charge of the club and they should be ashamed it's been allowed to get to this.'"
Sadly, I have to agree. I'd say it to John minards or Michael Carter right now, face to face. No disrespect, I know it's not easy running our club, but this is wrong. There's something wrong here and you need to try a more experienced coach. You've made a big mistake
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| A simple question to the club.
Howe many games in a season of 27, do we need to lose before making a change to the coaching staff ?
Were almost halfway through the season and 0/12 and quite frankly, despite a decent performance for 60minutes last week and a reasonable showing v Salford, we havent come close to beating anyone.
If the club isn't prepared to make a change, then, after 35 years+, I'm done.
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"A simple question to the club.
Howe many games in a season of 27, do we need to lose before making a change to the coaching staff ?
Were almost halfway through the season and 0/12 and quite frankly, despite a decent performance for 60minutes last week and a reasonable showing v Salford, we havent come close to beating anyone.
If the club isn't prepared to make a change, =#FF0000then, after 35 years+, I'm done.'"
Its really sad to here you say that, but I do understand it totally.
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| Quote ="charlie63wildcat"I totally understand what our board are saying about our finances and our situation. I'm not getting hysterical or personal about John or Michael or even Mark Applegarth. But I thought I saw a very meek and, at times casual acceptance of our performance tonight. I'd usually be there but had a bad back so watched on TV, which was certainly a different view of what is going on. TV shots of Applegarth and Gale, casually having bants...I guess a moment can mislead but some of it wasn't a good look. More of the vacuous generalisms from Applegarth. I don't think a Change of coach would produce miracles....but I do think it's time to do it now after what I've just seen'"
Noticed that with Gale and Mash, I wouldn't put too much emphasis on it but they should be experienced enough to know cameras would be on them.
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| Quote ="BarnsleyGull"Its really sad to here you say that, but I do understand it totally.'"
Cheers bud.
I cant get my head around why MC & JM are not changing something.
Do we wait until we're 0/15 or 0/20.
I understand that we're on a small budget etc but, right now, it looks like everyone is accepting that this is what we've got.
Our set up in the opposition is non existent, never mind our ability to complete enough attacking sets.
We have the most basic of basic game plans, literally five drives and a kick but, there is no threat, none.
Turning up each week just hoping it will improve but, there is nothing there. It's no longer worth the time and pain
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"A simple question to the club.
Howe many games in a season of 27, do we need to lose before making a change to the coaching staff ?
Were almost halfway through the season and 0/12 and quite frankly, despite a decent performance for 60minutes last week and a reasonable showing v Salford, we havent come close to beating anyone.
If the club isn't prepared to make a change, then, after 35 years+, I'm done.'"
Know how you feel. We'll go out of the cup next week and we won't get anything in the South of France the week after either as we pass the half point in the league season. At that point if Applegarth is still in a job you'd have to wonder whether it's a deliberate managed decline.
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| No need to wonder - it IS self sabotage.
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| I am a season ticket holder and have supported the club for 62 years. I have seen many bad times and little success but I have never been so BORED by the rugby been served up by Applegarth. This is supposed to be an entertainment business. I am afraid to say I won't be bothering to venture down to Belle Vue again until we get a proper coach who has more idea of how to get a team no matter how poor to do more than 5 drives and a kick.
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| Quote ="Hopwood"I am a season ticket holder and have supported the club for 62 years. I have seen many bad times and little success but I have never been so BORED by the rugby been served up by Applegarth. This is supposed to be an entertainment business. I am afraid to say I won't be bothering to venture down to Belle Vue again until we get a proper coach who has more idea of how to get a team no matter how poor to do more than[u 5 drives and a kick.[/u'"
Except when we kick on the 3rd, fourth or earlier.
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| Quote ="Sacred Cow"deliberate managed decline.'"
That's what it feels like. There doesn't seem to be any urgency to rescue anything from this season but at the same time it doesn't feel like we're preparing for the Championship either.
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| It was time after the Cas game and if not then the Leigh game, what the board are doing by keeping him is Gross Negligence
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| Have to agree with a lot of the comments.
When we get near the opposition line we are clueless.
We pass the ball to players who are standing.
Only Ashurst ran angles last night.
Smith needs much more time to develop and we haven’t got that luxury.
To me it’s one of two things: either the players are not playing as directed or it’s bad coaching.
I will not be at the Leigh match. Not paying to watch headless chickens running around.
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| The whole situation feels like bereavement.
You want to help but, the end is inevitable, right now, its palliative care only.
Under 8's sides have more attacking flair that Trinity, it's both sad and sickening.
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| Quote ="Willzay"No need to wonder - it IS self sabotage.'"
I’m as disappointed as anyone the way this season has gone, but will anyone of you who believes the Trinity CEO, Chairman and Board, are deliberately manipulating our demise, please explain Why they would do that, when the simplest thing to do would be to just walk away, as others (management) have done in the past.?
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"A simple question to the club.
Howe many games in a season of 27, do we need to lose before making a change to the coaching staff ?
Were almost halfway through the season and 0/12 and quite frankly, despite a decent performance for 60minutes last week and a reasonable showing v Salford, we havent come close to beating anyone.
If the club isn't prepared to make a change, then, after 35 years+, I'm done.'"
I agree wrencat. As someone else said, I don't think this is the worst set of players we've had in the SL era, so how long does this go on? We have to give another coach a chance to see if he can get a tune out of them with ball in hand. At the moment, they look like they just met each other EVERY MATCH
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| Quote ="Dunkirk Spirit"I’m as disappointed as anyone the way this season has gone, but will anyone of you who believes the Trinity CEO, Chairman and Board, are deliberately manipulating our demise, please explain Why they would do that, when the simplest thing to do would be to just walk away, as others (management) have done in the past.?'"
Totally agree. This is where I diverge in the complaining. When it gets personal, when stupid, wild, libellous accusations are being thrown about, I'm out
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| Mash has that rare ability to make half decent players look/perform worse instead of better . I wasn’t one calling for his head from the start ,it was obvious he has a great affinity with the club , but in hindsight he should have stayed exactly where he was and kept that conveyor belt of youth coming through , because I see that as our future rather than the endless overpriced disappointments from down under . He openly stated at the meeting that if he didn’t think he was the man for the job he would step aside ,we’ll I’m afraid that time is overdue . We’ve been turned into a once proud club into the laughing stock of RL . We’ve survived the winding up orders the Pearman debacle and the Hussain madness ,to get to a point where the off field problems are coming to fruition,(stadium) to then be saddled with stat after stat as the bottom performing team ever since records began . I’m of the opinion that this season will be our last in super league , the get out of jail cards have been used up . Looking forwards as ever the optimist, going down will give us a long overdue clear out ,a new guy in charge who hopefully isn’t as stubborn or pigheaded as the last incumbent and has the gonads to do what’s right for the club and supporters ,who after all are the lifeblood of any team .
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| Quote ="Dunkirk Spirit"I’m as disappointed as anyone the way this season has gone, but will anyone of you who believes the Trinity CEO, Chairman and Board, are deliberately manipulating our demise, please explain Why they would do that, when the simplest thing to do would be to just walk away, as others (management) have done in the past.?'"
They most certainly aren’t but they aren’t helping the situation either by digging their heels in when it’s plain for all to see that our current coach at this present time Is not fit for purpose at this level . 12 games or so is long enough to realise it isn’t working and change has to happen . Simple facts are we can’t change the team as much as we’d like to ,so the well trodden path is to relieve the coach of his duties
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| The signs were there in pre season. Only friendlies but they give you a bit of an indication. Struggled against championship sides lost to a very weak Leeds side and got absolutely battered by hull and actually did better with a team full of youngsters on the field rather than the first team players. Worst side and worst coach in super league history I’m afraid. Sad to say I can’t see any changes forthcoming and we will just continue to dwindle our way into obscurity. For the CEO to say pre match that they’re basically planning for championship next season shows the level of ambition and fight left at this once great club. Absolutely scandalous yet they’re still asking for more support through the turnstiles! We have a poor fan base anyway and it’s getting smaller by the week. I used to look forward to games but now it’s a chore and I only go for my son and because we have season tickets.
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| Quote ="Uptoncat"The signs were there in pre season. Only friendlies but they give you a bit of an indication. Struggled against championship sides lost to a very weak Leeds side and got absolutely battered by hull and actually did better with a team full of youngsters on the field rather than the first team players. Worst side and worst coach in super league history I’m afraid. Sad to say I can’t see any changes forthcoming and we will just continue to dwindle our way into obscurity. For the CEO to say pre match that they’re basically planning for championship next season shows the level of ambition and fight left at this once great club. Absolutely scandalous yet they’re still asking for more support through the turnstiles! We have a poor fan base anyway and it’s getting smaller by the week. I used to look forward to games but now it’s a chore and I only go for my son and because we have season tickets.'"
The stats speak for themselves 0/12 and already and we're not even halfway through the season, we have the unenviable record of failing to score more times than ANY other side in SL history.
Our "attack" is utter garbage.
We managed to march Hull back up the field reasonably well but, in their 20, just nothing (ok 1 try and 2 drop outs).
It's getting harder and harder to go to home games, the frustration cant be good for anyone's health
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| Quote ="Uptoncat"The signs were there in pre season. Only friendlies but they give you a bit of an indication. Struggled against championship sides lost to a very weak Leeds side and got absolutely battered by hull and actually did better with a team full of youngsters on the field rather than the first team players. Worst side and worst coach in super league history I’m afraid. Sad to say I can’t see any changes forthcoming and we will just continue to dwindle our way into obscurity. For the CEO to say pre match that they’re basically planning for championship next season shows the level of ambition and fight left at this once great club. Absolutely scandalous yet they’re still asking for more support through the turnstiles! We have a poor fan base anyway and it’s getting smaller by the week. I used to look forward to games but now it’s a chore and I only go for my son and because we have season tickets.'"
I get the planning for every eventuality I really do ,especially in our current predicament, but by papering over the cracks and not being decisive , he is accentuating the problem every game we lose and so making our long stay in super league all the more likely to fail
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"The stats speak for themselves 0/12 and already and we're not even halfway through the season, we have the unenviable record of failing to score more times than ANY other side in SL history.
Our "attack" is utter garbage.
We managed to march Hull back up the field reasonably well but, in their 20, just nothing (ok 1 try and 2 drop outs).
It's getting harder and harder to go to home games, the frustration cant be good for anyone's health'"
The frustrating thing is that now - having dared to watch it - our stats in the 1st half [iattacking wise[/i were excellent!
......Until we got into their 10....
Reminded me of Dirty Leeds away tbh....
Oh for someone like a Pauli Pauli or Big Dave close to the line.....
I'm pretty sure we'd have score a few tries with someone of their size....
And that would have made the team confidence soar....
But then cue to abject defending......
"After you Claude" as the Hull players jogged over the try line........
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| High fives and laughter on the balcony, high fives etc in the changing rooms, meanwhile, Tony Smith was drilling his instructions into his team.
Embarrassing and an insult to the word amateur. We’ve seen some crap down the years but this takes the biscuit ( or pie and peas).
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