If most fans want to congregate on the Norhtstand, it will become a "home" end anyway.
It may take a couple of seasons but, away fans wont want to stand amongst a strong, noisy group of partisan supporters, just as Wakey fans wouldn't want to stand in the Wheldon Road end at Cas or, the old Threepenny stand at the Boulevard.
If this is what the Trin fans want, then its up to them.

It should be noted that the 2 games where there has been trouble in the ground, have both taken place whilst segregation has been "in force" and on the first instance, the trouble was propagated by the Castleford and Wakefield clubs and yet, at the "million pound game", between the same 2 clubs, with the place packed to the rafters, there was a far better atmosphere and folk could enjoy the game, without risking bottles and whatever else being thrown about.

Of course, there will always be small incidents which need to be dealt with but, if you herd people about like animals, they start to behave like them and ultimately, we all have a personal responsibility to behave properly, no excuses.

I still prefer the North Stand to be designated for Home fans . As a supporter who goes there alone and stands alone (age 65) I feel more secure there and the atmosphere is amazing. If reverting to as it was before it will become the AWAY end again. Away supporters tend to come earlier and takeover the crash rails etc. The problem is not caused by segregation but by idiots who cannot hold their alcohol.

Please think again - we need the RED, WHITE AND BLUE ARMY noise to help next year, not pockets of sporadic chanting dotted about the ground.

That's my take on things.
I can just see next year being the same old. A few short chants of 'Wakefield Wakefield' coming from little pockets
of the ground lasting 5 seconds a time.

The intense noise from the North Stand will be lost again next season. Which would be a shame IMO.

SW corner of the WT for the away supporters. Slide the barrier up or down subject to the travelling support. There is segregation at most new sporting venues which broadly pass by without trouble. To blame it on segregation is a little to simplistic.

Either way I'm happy. Segregation has improved the atmosphere at BV no end, no segregation means I can go back and stand in my favoured position.

In the main i think segregation worked, the problem was it put too many noses out of joint, sadly!
It created the North Stand atmosphere.
The trouble at the Widnes game was not caused by segregation, it was caused by poor stewarding.
Fair enough if the new lot think they can keep a lid on it without segregation most will be happy after all none of us actually want segregation as we aren't yobs, but if someone getts nobbled by one...

poor choice to trust you Wakefield oiks



I think one incident of unpleasantness per year is about the going rate really - sad as that sounds. If you get home fans in big numbers it shouldn't really matter, you can still pack the North Stand same as ever should you wish

Itś very simple if you want to go in the North stand,get there a bit earlier as somebody has already said. Segregation itself can and does cause problems.

Somebody has stated "none of us want segregation". You just cannot make that assertion. I want segregation for a start and there are plenty of others who do. There were always pockets of trouble (very occasionally) without segregation - maybe easier to calm down I dont know. But as I stated before as a "lone" supporter I feel at home in the company of my fellow supporters (only), with the added bonus of atmosphere, and without rain dripping down my neck if I have to move back to Western Terrace.

No segregation means no North Stand to me.Agree entirely with 60s Cat.
I am too old to be worrying throughout the game if the group of idiots just to my side are going to 'kick off'.
Will be in the East Stand now on my visits.

The point is that, without segregation, you don't have to move anywhere, although I think that having a "home" stand has improved the atmosphere.
As a former Western Terrace dweller, it will be a difficult decision, whether to move back there next season but, at least its a choice that I can make and not be corralled into a particular spot

I agree the northstand does make more noise than we have had before at the ground. Its a shame half of it is obscene/swearing chants by a bunch of drunk fans stood at the back. Its almost like been at a football game at times. And this is something that increased since segregation

That'll be me, I'll qualify my point.
I said nobody wants segregation, because in an ideal world we would not need segregating.
I do not believe anyone in their right mind (therefore i discount the yobbish element) goes to a game thinking "great there will be segregation" bud sadly and i think this is what you're getting at (and i agree), there is a yobbish element that attend our games and you are comforted to know that either there is segregation or at least very strong stewarding.
I will rephrase my point In a perfect world nobody wants segregation.

This.

im quite happy with no segregation as twice last year I went with a friend of opposing team and we got separated at gate,not a fan of watching rugby from behind the sticks so as some of u say I will be on my piece of concrete on the 25 in front of the bar as I have been for the last 43 yrs

I agree with this. It's embarrassing and, in my opinion, brings the club and game in to disrepute. The stewards should step in and stop it.
On the subject of segregation - could it work if the NS were deemed to be the "home end" but the rest of the ground were mixed ie. Trinity fans can go where they want, away fans can go where they want but not in the NS?

So when an away team gets in the ground first & takes all of the North stand up & the regular week in week out supporters have to stand where they do not want to stand, or have to go into the stand with the away fans, do you not think that this will invoke a possible flashpoint & will require extra stewards to segregate the two sets of supporters ? Surely the stewards are their to proact against any threats rather than reacting to any trouble.

Don't know if I'm missing something but couldn't we restrict the North Stand to home fans and make the rest of the ground open to all.

I'm sure that's exactly what I said in my post but Westgaterunner seems to have misunderstood

That would be a happy compromise for me.

Works for me

and if the new security guys are as good as he says they are it shouldn't be a problem.

This is a win win sitaution! Those fans that like the west stand can still go stand on it and we dont lose the fantastic atmosphere the northstand has created

We have a winner!

Great idea

I put this idea out on my facebook group and the response has been exactly the same, everyone seems frustrated at killing the great atmposhere and said the suggestion is the obvious answer.

Well done that person, hope we can push this forward and be heard

Has my support as well.