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| Quote ="Agent XIII"You should be a pollster because the options are somewhat weighted against 1530 because for this option you only ask those that are inconvenienced . To be fair it should read "I prefer 3.30".
I voted for 1530 not because I am inconvenienced but it is the time I prefer.'"
Yes, I will find it difficult to attend and[i prefer 3.30[/i - what exactly is difficult to understand about this?
I remember well the argument during the 70's when matches were moved from Saturday afternoons to Sundays. One of my relatives, who was a lifelong supporter, has never been back since. At the end of the day, it is up to the individual to either put up or shut up. If your employer altered your start time by 30 minutes, would you object so strongly?
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| Quote ="Last to be picked"Yes, I will find it difficult to attend and[i prefer 3.30[/i - what exactly is difficult to understand about this?
I remember well the argument during the 70's when matches were moved from Saturday afternoons to Sundays. One of my relatives, who was a lifelong supporter, has never been back since. At the end of the day, it is up to the individual to either put up or shut up. If your employer altered your start time by 30 minutes, would you object so strongly?'"
calm down tiger!
it's called language of influence... in that a sentence or statement is structured to elicit or favour a particular response or outcome. this one is indeed so structured but even then... the rough current outcome (allowing for noise and agendas) suggests that almost 20% of our forum reading die hard fans are inconvenienced or disturbed by the change.
such a percentage represents a significant business risk. Investment will be required to mitigate the risk. As with any such decision a benefits realisation process will be necessary to understand if the decision is a sound business one.
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| Quote ="Agent XIII"You should be a pollster because the options are somewhat weighted against 1530 because for this option you only ask those that are inconvenienced . To be fair it should read "I prefer 3.30".
I voted for 1530 not because I am inconvenienced but it is the time I prefer.'"
Wow didn't expect you to be on finding something to whine about, we'll done you reached a new low.
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| Quote ="Old Blighty"calm down tiger!
it's called language of influence... in that a sentence or statement is structured to elicit or favour a particular response or outcome. this one is indeed so structured but even then... the rough current outcome (allowing for noise and agendas) suggests that almost 20% of our forum reading die hard fans are inconvenienced or disturbed by the change.
such a percentage represents a significant business risk. Investment will be required to mitigate the risk. As with any such decision a benefits realisation process will be necessary to understand if the decision is a sound business one.
business management 1.01'"
Well done at last someone who understands where I was coming from with regards the wording of a poll and how careful you must be or your own preferences can influence the questions to get the results you want. I don't think it was the poll setters intention this time but you must be careful.
I guess most of the posters just assume I am looking for fault unfortunately at the moment it is easy to find. With regards the kick off time you are correct it is not those that it does not inconvenience but the percentage that it does because if they do not turn up you have lost them and I doubt new supporters are going to turn up because we now kick off at 1500hrs.
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| Quote ="inside man"Wow didn't expect you to be on finding something to whine about, we'll done you reached a new low.'"
I think you would be better reading some of the posts because you might actually learn something but then again I think it might just be too late for you and that is not moaning just character assassination.
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| I have learned your as boring as smokey and gutter fax all rolled into one.
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| Never boring and always rational which you and some on here find it hard to argue against so resort to name calling.
I have supported the club for many years during which I have seen owners come and go. I have read glowing comments on here about each and it is the same again with the current board. I am the conscience that will hopefully stop the same because like children you can be too easily excited and lose all rationality in the hope that this time it will be the new dawn of Wakefield Trinity and I don't want you all to possibly be disappointed once again.
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| Quote ="Agent XIII"Well done at last someone who understands where I was coming from with regards the wording of a poll and how careful you must be or your own preferences can influence the questions to get the results you want. I don't think it was the poll setters intention this time but you must be careful.
I guess most of the posters just assume I am looking for fault unfortunately at the moment it is easy to find. With regards the kick off time you are correct it is not those that it does not inconvenience but the percentage that it does because if they do not turn up you have lost them and I doubt new supporters are going to turn up because we now kick off at 1500hrs.'"
I don't attach any assumptions or conclusions... The data and infomation is inadequate... I merely state that if the rough outcomes are indicative then the action reults in a significant commercial business risk.
there has been no analysis, as far as i am aware, on the potential to bring in new business.. That is a mitgator... And possible justification
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| Are we now seriously delving into the world of poll writing. This forum is swiftly becoming a joke.
The options are there and regardless of how they are written its pretty straightforward that if 3pm isn't good for you or preferable you'll pick option 1.
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| Quote ="Agent XIII"Never boring and always rational which you and some on here find it hard to argue against so resort to name calling.
I have supported the club for many years during which I have seen owners come and go. I have read glowing comments on here about each and it is the same again with the current board. I am the conscience that will hopefully stop the same because like children you can be too easily excited and lose all rationality in the hope that this time it will be the new dawn of Wakefield Trinity and I don't want you all to possibly be disappointed once again.'"
What a shame you didn't turn up halfway through the last regime then
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| Or the few before it. Wish I was as clever as it.
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| Quote ="Agent XIII"You should be a pollster because the options are somewhat weighted against 1530 because for this option you only ask those that are inconvenienced . To be fair it should read "I prefer 3.30".
I voted for 1530 not because I am inconvenienced but it is the time I prefer.'"
Surely "Yes, I will find it difficult to attend and prefer 3.30" says exactly that?
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| So Old Blighty and Agent XIII
We come to the same situation as always. Rather than just say it is weighted one way, can you show me how it should be written to make it neutral?
I addressed the question to the actual issue and put your preferred option at the top. Surely that would be weighting it in the other way?
Are you saying it should have been yes and No answer? Because I didn't think that was fair as there are a lot of don't care votes that would be forced to an answer and therefore swaying the vote unfairly.
I did notice the point you make though Old Blighty. 20% is higher than I thought the 3.30 opinion would have been.
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| Quote ="PopTart"So Old Blighty and Agent XIII
We come to the same situation as always. Rather than just say it is weighted one way, can you show me how it should be written to make it neutral?
I addressed the question to the actual issue and put your preferred option at the top. Surely that would be weighting it in the other way?
Are you saying it should have been yes and No answer? Because I didn't think that was fair as there are a lot of don't care votes that would be forced to an answer and therefore swaying the vote unfairly.
I did notice the point you make though Old Blighty. 20% is higher than I thought the 3.30 opinion would have been.'"
And so far I have spoken to 3 season ticket holders, none of whom are members on here. None were particularly happy about the switch and would have preferred it leaving as it was. And I haven't even mentioned it to my dad yet! First question everytime was why? I couldn't answer.
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| Quote ="PopTart"So Old Blighty and Agent XIII
We come to the same situation as always. Rather than just say it is weighted one way, can you show me how it should be written to make it neutral?
I addressed the question to the actual issue and put your preferred option at the top. Surely that would be weighting it in the other way?
Are you saying it should have been yes and No answer? Because I didn't think that was fair as there are a lot of don't care votes that would be forced to an answer and therefore swaying the vote unfairly.
I did notice the point you make though Old Blighty. 20% is higher than I thought the 3.30 opinion would have been.'"
Alright let's cut to the quick... I couldn't give a flying fart as to what time the kick off is as I will be asleep in my Sydney suburb bed at the time. HOWEVER... I do care what happens to the club, the team and the legacy that is Wakefield Trinity... And I see management regime after management regime committing simple business suicide.
Every time missing the big picture, focussing on one or two specialist disciplines.
Today (and i wont bore you with the rest of the week) I have been working with and advising two projects here in Aus, the first worth over 8 billion dollars and the second valued at a mere 51 million. I am not playing Johnny big potatoes but I know politics, budgets, business management and the breadth of discipline required for success... MC needs help... Big picture and detail...
How do we help him get it??? I am prepared to do some stuff but I am (and will stay) 13000 miles away.
Well how??
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| Quote ="Old Blighty"Alright let's cut to the quick... I couldn't give a flying fart as to what time the kick off is as I will be asleep in my Sydney suburb bed at the time. HOWEVER... I do care what happens to the club, the team and the legacy that is Wakefield Trinity... And I see management regime after management regime committing simple business suicide.
Every time missing the big picture, focussing on one or two specialist disciplines.
Today (and i wont bore you with the rest of the week) I have been working with and advising two projects here in Aus, the first worth over 8 billion dollars and the second valued at a mere 51 million. I am not playing Johnny big potatoes but I know politics, budgets, business management and the breadth of discipline required for success... MC needs help... Big picture and detail...
How do we help him get it??? I am prepared to do some stuff but I am (and will stay) 13000 miles away.
Well how??'"
Could you advise the 8 billion dollar project to spend some money on advertising/sponsorship and steer them Wakefield's way ??
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| Quote ="Fordy"Could you advise the 8 billion dollar project to spend some money on advertising/sponsorship and steer them Wakefield's way ??'"
If the project and it's beneficiaries had a clue who you are then maybe... But thanks for missing the point.
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| Quote ="Old Blighty"If the project and it's beneficiaries had a clue who you are then maybe... But thanks for missing the point.'"
Oh dear, apologies for trying to bring a bit of light-heartedness in. I'll try not to bother you again.
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| Quote ="Fordy"Oh dear, apologies for trying to bring a bit of light-heartedness in. I'll try not to bother you again.
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Sorry mate... It took a lot for me to write that... Being the other side of the world when something you hold dear is in trouble is surprisingly stressful... I was trying to offer what limited help I could, whilst also trying to raise th profile of the need at hand...I lost my humor for a moment... Again apologies.
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| Quote ="Old Blighty"Alright let's cut to the quick... I couldn't give a flying fart as to what time the kick off is as I will be asleep in my Sydney suburb bed at the time. HOWEVER... I do care what happens to the club, the team and the legacy that is Wakefield Trinity... And I see management regime after management regime committing simple business suicide.
Every time missing the big picture, focussing on one or two specialist disciplines.
Today (and i wont bore you with the rest of the week) I have been working with and advising two projects here in Aus, the first worth over 8 billion dollars and the second valued at a mere 51 million. I am not playing Johnny big potatoes but I know politics, budgets, business management and the breadth of discipline required for success... MC needs help... Big picture and detail...
How do we help him get it??? I am prepared to do some stuff but I am (and will stay) 13000 miles away.
Well how??'"
sent you a PM Andrew
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| Quote ="Old Blighty"Sorry mate... It took a lot for me to write that... Being the other side of the world when something you hold dear is in trouble is surprisingly stressful... I was trying to offer what limited help I could, whilst also trying to raise th profile of the need at hand...I lost my humor for a moment... Again apologies.'"
No worries, I think it's something we've all felt far too often recently. To be fair that's why I sometime feel like I have to try and inject a bit of joviality.
Seriously if you do have insights to offer then drop Michael Carter an email - he really does seem genuinely interested in people's suggestions from what I've seen of him.
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| Come on guys... Its half an hour! You would of thought with all that has been to worry about over the past couple of months at the club that this would not even get a mention
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| Quote ="Agent XIII"Never boring and always rational which you and some on here find it hard to argue against so resort to name calling.
I have supported the club for many years during which I have seen owners come and go. I have read glowing comments on here about each and it is the same again with the current board. I am the conscience that will hopefully stop the same because like children you can be too easily excited and lose all rationality in the hope that this time it will be the new dawn of Wakefield Trinity and I don't want you all to possibly be disappointed once again.'"
All is clear! Agent xiii isn't a very naughty boy, he's the Messiah!
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| Quote ="feline"sent you a PM Andrew'"
Thanks Sue I returned your PM also tried PMing MC but ended up spamming him... (damn Ipad) so he must think I am a fruit cake..
We can take the rest off forum. cheers.
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