I have bought the opposite and we could win it but the effort from everyone eventually took it's too but Roby always gets them on the front foot and as know they are so hard to stop. Well done to everyone and I'm feeling much more positive then last week. Hope Hubys ok but it looked bad

careful, you're getting in to "must win" territory with that rhetoric

and only 2 games in

Losing Huby was a great loss for us. I thought he was playing one of his best games for us up to half time.
Saints were much more slick and speedy in attack at the play the ball, and making more ground than us at each tackle, Although they were playing an off side game throughout the whole 80mins. The down side of our game was all the time that we were camped inside their 20metres following Broughies 40/20 with nothing to show for it. For about 5mins we looked as though we hadn't a clue what to do next and players were just stood still when they received the ball. Having said that we did recover well, and were unlucky to lose.
Unfortunately, I think we won't quite reach the level of success this season as we have for the last two.

Roby was a big thorn in our side today. Very speedy from the acting half back position. This guy gets better as he gets older.

Thought it was a good game and we matched them well.
The only difference was that Saints were more clinical inside our 20, wheras we struggled with the plays despite the repeat sets.
I do think we will win more than we lose if we play like that.
Well done to the players for the vast improvement on last weeks showing.

Is there a case for moving Hampshire to 9. He has got a good side step and fast off the mark These seem wasted at full back. Roby tore us apart with his movement off the mark, and we seemed short of ideas at play the ball. Jowitt at full back might go some way to helping edge defence [Not having a go at Hampshire which is very bad and some thing that would not be happening if John Kear was in still in the background

We got done on the outside when Kear was in charge also. I remember Ainscough scoring exactly the same try four times with Blanch floundering in field.

Today both Johnstone and Jones-Bishop were defending the centre position as the whole team bunched up leaving the wings wide open.

Never seems to get sorted does it.
Wingers have been slated at BV for years, but if the second rower and centre didn't leave the winger exposed then it wouldn't happen. The problem therefore is not in the wings but in the middle because players feel they have to move inside to help out.
Apart from that I took heart from todays performance - I though we were worth a point .

I once remember a try being scored on Blanch's wing, and he was half way between the corner flag and the posts when the ball was grounded!

Wing defence was poor today. Think it was their second try, you could see it coming as soon as the ball was played. BJB was so far off his wing, that he had no option other than to watch Makinson stroll in.

is it horo who cant even pick his legs up for the final try and is slow as a wet week...


Guys we had enough ball inside the ops 20 to win 10 games and we didn't t have a clue at ALL!!!!!! radio announcer was even sayin it , same as last year - saints scored nearly every time they had a full set at us attacking.

both the wingers defense is awful.

positive is we are not last- you would have ben happy with today if we won last week but we got thrashed so today means nothing in my eyes....





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When Ainscough was scoring those tries, think it was before the obstruction rule was introduced. Wigan had got it off to a fine art, to get their players into the opponents defence, making it impossible for the defence to move across at speed. Was talking about 2017.

Thought millers diving cover tackle in the corner to knock makinson into touch whilst Tom was left in no mans land was a real captains knock .
Happened right in front and you’d have put your house on a try but then miller had other ideas and threw his body at makinson to deny him.
Early season yet but our wings are looking susceptible to the overlap, for whatever reason it needs sorting ASAP.

As well as Miller did, the way we concertina in the centre of the field it needs the halves/full back to work harder to make those cover tackles. Currently the wings are in a no win position. Stay tight to the touch line and there is a massive gap between them and centre, come inside and look daft as the opposite number strolls in untouched.

Should try and cover the inside which hopefully forces the attack wide and if they do break at least it makes the kick more difficult, sounds easy

After what happened at London, the saints game was a great improvement in many areas. Lets hope we can keep improving further and start to pick up a few wins.

However one thing I should mention that needs sorting is that young Rocky needs to get a set of decent boots. Lost count of the times he lost his footing and finished up on his harris.

Their forwards were dominant and sucked in our defence, and when you've got a hooker as good and intelligent as Roby who takes full advantage its an uphill struggle for any defence.

I was hoping that the smoke which blew over the pitch might make them choke (again

) but it wasn't to be.

Our ability to defend out wide is absolutely appalling it seems all teams have to do to score against us is pass it along the line. The worst thing is it’s a blatant issue with our defensive structure rather than individuals making bad reads. Our coaching staff must be able to see it yet seem powerless to address it.
I’d also like to Jowitt back at fullback or Hooley if Max is that out of favour. I like Hampshire but I don’t think fullback is his best position.

Not much between the two sides - which was a big surprise given last week's debacle; I was with my son, and we both said that the best we could hope for was a performance, since Saints would easily overpower us - which they clearly didn't, so that was definitely progress.

Observations:

Hampshire needs some long studs - he was sliding around like Robin Currie; several times he had space in front of him, and ended up on his backside
Saints were never square at the ptb
Danny Brough is Jekyll & Hyde - brilliant kicking game, but his gob let us down again
We spent too much time in their 20 without scoring; sometimes, the halves were passing to people who had no clue what to do next - a bit embarassing
James Roby is a remarkable athlete
We have to sort out the defensive structure - Johnstone and BJB were left with too much to do on several occasions
Saints NRL signings were crap - Naiqama was anonymous and Coote was made to look foolish by Broughy
Poor old Alex Walmsley looks crocked - I winced every time he went into collision
Huby will be out for a while - looked like a dislocated shoulder
Kopczak & King look like a great additions
Matty Ashurst is an outstanding player
It was very cold

Three times Broughy put us in attacking positions. A try from one of them could have won the game.

Indeed - and he voiced his frustration at those around him when they didn't exploit his good work, which is a bit of a Broughy trademark - I haven't always agreed with it, but this group of players should be able to put together a decent attacking move when given the opportunity.

The LMS try at the end is a very simple example - which we could easily have tried on several occasions - but our middle men took the ball standing still.

I went to the game looking for a performance, ended up walking away disappointed not to win. Plenty of positives but I was disappointed that our big men seemed to be getting the ball when standing still especially when we had the huge periods of pressure in the second half. Plenty to work on but plenty of promise.

Pretty much agree with most of what you have said. The problem for me is, on that evidence, we still can't seem to win the close games! Last year we lost 6 or 7 by one score or less. If we are serious about being a top 4 team, our percentage of winning the close ones' has to improve dramatically. Broughy was brought here to win us those types of games, and like you say we saw the best of him and the worst, he still has loads to offer, but he is bloody frustrating at times.

Well I am going to differ with some people and I thought Brough was very hard done by. Right from the start of the game it was obvious Hicks was his usually pedantic self with some of the penalties he blew (for both sides).
The Brough incident unfolded in front of me and again it looked like he said little if anything at all and all the trinity players that were close by also argued with the two officials over the decision.


If he did say something then fair enough award a penalty but a yellow straight away was over the top. I honestly feel that if any other player had said something it would have only been a penalty but brough was punished just because of past reputation. Also lets be honest here, I watch most games on Sky and the ref abuse from some players (usually stars in the so called top clubs) is far worse and nothing ever gets done.

It must be difficult to move onto the ball when you don't know where it is going to hit you when it arrives. Saints showed the benefit of much superior passing accuracy that allows players to take to ball on the move without checking, turning or breaking their stride.

Makinson scored from two stunning passes from Lachlan Coote while Lynn received several passes in their 20 which were so badly directed he had to stop to gather then was forced inside as his only option. No reason at all why this can't be sorted out with intense skills work.

I can't agree - Brough is old and ugly enough to know that backchat is pointless and risky; when has a ref ever changed his mind because a player shouted at him?

He invites this kind of response by shouting and waving his arms around - he should know better - and if he keeps it up, it will cost us.