Wouldn't surprise me. He'll have Kyle Wood starting at prop next week.

yes you are correct. Why not play Johnson or even get Korki back on loan if we are so short of props . Keith mason even ?

JD did suggest playing Ben Cockyne at his 'natural' full back

Too obvious, much better to play NRL 2nd rows and hookers there. Then wonder why we get steamrollered in the middle.

Agars plan to replace Wilkes with an extra pivot wasn't a wise move for a team that was already struggling up front. Sorry but he's got this one very wrong.

the bloke is a clown and out of his depth. still on the bright side only 2 and a half years of him to put up with

Very disappointed with tonight's performance. We certainly missed an extra prop, and the use of Aiton as a loose forward come second row is baffling. Even more so when you've a bench consisting of two hookers and a centre!

We struggled to make yards and our kicking game whilst equally poor wasn't helped. Saints on the other hand were pretty flawless with their kicking and I'm honestly struggling to remember one kicked we actually caught on the full!

Even when we managed to get into Saints' 20m we took bad options or made errors to gift Saints possession. That wouldn't have been so bad if we didn't compound it by giving them penalties to relieve the pressure.

Whilst a massive fan of Kirmond I must also question how much game time he's expected to play.

The worrying factor for me was how St Helens managed to rack up a hefty score (even with missing all those kicks) without ever really getting out of second gear!

I found you helping Uncle Albert with his tackle counts very amusing.

That was probably the highlight of the evening!

Is Agar the only coach in professional Rugby League that thinks its ok to go with 3 props? You have to consider we had a perfectly good 4th one available? Nobody in the modern game goes with 3 unless it can be helped! Shocking decision!

3 options:

1) He played the strongest team available to him, and chose not to gamble on players coming back from injury in a game we would probably lose anyway.

2) He gambled on props and pivots in the hope of sneaking an unlikely victory through unorthodox tactics/tactical genius.

3) He hasn't got a clue.

I'll take option 1 for the time being.

On the plus side - Wildie got a game.

Anyone know if Johnson has signed for cod eds? If so it may be the reason why Agar his putting other players/selections before him. If true i cannot condone this and we should look at seeing if Hull will buy him out of his remaining months for all 3 parties benefit.

A totally inept performance tonight, it was a fairly decent start but as soon as we started giving penalties away the enthusiasm ebbed out of the team. Richie Mathers & Ben Cockayne where our best players & it wasnt until the 75th minute before one of our half backs took the ball in & went for the line, too little too late. To say that we where mean`t to be fresh after a 2 week break ! we looked jaded early on.

Option 3

Dumb bench selection yet again.

Hahaha are you for real ? Have you forgotten last season ?

Agar is a fool he is a lousy coach and its now time for Mr Glover to wake up and sack him because if he stays much longer the gates will be under 5000 again the bench last night was a joke a bit like the coach

and the season before, the funny thing is that some of the same faces that are moaning now, were moaning about Kear and wanted him out.

PRevious posters have it right. I remember Kear teams rolling over and dying on countless occasions over tIe years. Very short memories.

Check last years result, think we got rolled over more than a handful of times last season! Warrington & St's and Wigan away interesting when looking at our results there this year www.superleague.co.uk/results?season=2011

Check last years result, think we got rolled over more than a handful of times last season! Warrington & St's and Wigan away interesting when looking at our results there this year www.superleague.co.uk/results?season=2011

Quote ="merlin"Check last years result, think we got rolled over more than a handful of times last season! Warrington & St's and Wigan away interesting when looking at our results there this year www.superleague.co.uk/results?season=2011'" Looking at the results from last year is unreprestative of JK's time here and tells nothing of the story of the season and the background to it. I doubt ANY other coach would have got that number of wins last year and, in my regret, I was one of those who thought the time was right for change. How wrong I was!

Quote ="merlin"Check last years result, think we got rolled over more than a handful of times last season! Warrington & St's and Wigan away interesting when looking at our results there this year www.superleague.co.uk/results?season=2011'" Looking at the results from last year is unreprestative of JK's time here and tells nothing of the story of the season and the background to it. I doubt ANY other coach would have got that number of wins last year and, in my regret, I was one of those who thought the time was right for change. How wrong I was!

How do you compare the two seasons so far and the two coaches.

Last years aldi budget squad v this years highly paid bunch?

Serious question.

J K should have been offered a 1 year deal, if only to test the water. I have no problem with Agar, but the teams not up to it.
Last season was in many respects expected, J k had very little to work with
The expectation for2012 was high and the present crop of players have let the club n coach down.
I think Agar will remain at the club for some time, we will however see a bit of a clear out at the end of the season.
THEY JUST AINT GOOD ENOUGH , the interesting question how many will remain.

You wasn't wrong at all, it was time for a change. Sadly when you make a change though you need to make it for the better. We didn't and we will reap wot we sow. We are paying getting on for 50% more for this years squad compared to last year. We have strengthen the back room staff and the money we spend on nutrition and other player care, improved facilities etc. Are we seeing a significant increase in performance to match the significant increse in investment? In my opinion, no we aren't.

I know someone who was going to get a £100 season ticket but in the end didn't. Speaking to him recently he is extremely glad he didn't as from what he has seen so far he wouldn't want to feel obliged to go week in week out because they are 'so poor to watch'.

As i've said elsewhere i'm willing to give Agar a bit longer to get it right but if things haven't improved in the next month then its going to be difficult justify supporting him any longer. We should be doing better, its time to see results.

Can't really compare last season but what about the one before, far better squad even with the disruptions we had that season, who'd had a very good year the season before, 9 wins we got and some absolute spankings.

should it be questioned the appointment of Agar? and the contract he was offered