Even by RLFANS standards this is a belter!

yes they are and that is the problem the game is in a bloody mess in key positions they are the best loose forwards in a bloody bad bunch

Both been voted in the top 3 loose forwards in the world over the last 2 years by coaches on both side of the world.

This topic is an odd one, as has been stated earlier i would wager Terry Newton would be in many peoples teams, but now he has signed he is a tough player, no longer a thug. I look forward to the reaction when Newton smacks some one in a dirty bit of play, which he will sooner or later, from the opposition fans and the Trinity fans response. Not having a pop at Newton by the way I rate him although he has gone off the boil over the past 2 years he can still on his day mix it with the best.

We then have posters slating players and the stats that support them, even claiming the player that provides the killer pass not to be creative.

Rather than in most cases highlighting who is a good player and a bad player, it more validly shows what the posters prefer in a style of player, and a bit of bias, rather than looking at how they contribute and the part they play in their respective teams.

We also have posters stating the likes of Wigan can afford to risk and have on signings, often under the previous administration losing that gamble, but EVERY new signing is a risk. I would go so far as to say this year Trinity have taken 3 massive gambles on player recruitment.

Newton.....injury problems, age and form, although i do think the form is down to poor coaching at Bradford.
Morrison......see Newton on age and form and x 2.
Tronc........from what I have seen a great player but by all accounts he has not come cheap, Wayne Bennett warned Wigan off him because of his financial demands, and while I think he will go well in the SL it only takes one bad tackle to see the lad injured, or a loss of confidence/not settling in and his form dropping and the club have a big investment not giving value for money, again see Wigan for that problem.

The key to the cap is getting value for money or better form from a player in relation to there cap value, Wakefield have been very good at this in the last few years, the acid test now comes when big money signings are added, and with a thinner squad they must perform.

Top 5 no doubt

Not any more. Mate its a fact, he also warned Wigan off Mason (personality) and O'Mealey (dud knees).

Its not a personal dig and every Wigan fan knows the recruitment under the old regime was shocking, but times change, but yet opposition fans are still stuck in the past.

Newton will always be a thug in my book and I'm not fickle enough to change my views just because he now plays for Trinity. Having said that I'm glad that Trinity no longer have him as an opposition. One, he is still capable of producing and changing matches and two, his team mates are less likely to be on the end of a cheap shot.

What been wrong with morrisons form? been excellent for braford when he's played, one of the best second rowers in sl when on the pitch. His only problem is that he has been injury prone these last few years, but that doesnt mean he will be for wakey, chris feather was regarded as an injury prone player then had an injury free season at cas.

Try assists should be a fairly good indicator, but they only count the last pass as an assist, when cas beat wigan away last season sherwin created every try didnt get a single assist because he didnt provide the last pass for any of them, so no assists arent neccersarily a good indicator. As someone has pointed out in 2008 frodo only got 2 assists in 15 appearances, using the logic that assist are the indicator of creativity he must of had virtually no creativity in 2008.

As for cooke yes i do watch the game thanks, cooke when played at loose could change a game in a way O'Loughlin never could. From your praise of O'Loughlin have to wonder if you look closely at any players that arent playing for wiganicon_wink.gif

I know quite a few saints fans that rate flannery, i dont think he is a fantastic loose forward just better than O'Loughlin as he has more strings to his bow.

I meant form.

I know thats what i put!

Phone again?

Obviously some players are easily forgotten

Agree totally.

Somebody pointed out that neither are in the class of a Sculthorpe or Farrell and thats 100% correct but then them 2 were truely awesome players.

I still stand by what i said that either O'Loughlin or Sinfield would be Wakefields best signing in decades. Somebody mentioned Solomona and he was awesome for a couple of years for Wakefield but these guys would do it over a greater period of time and are true professionals.

Wheather people agree or disagree with that doesn't matter at the end of the day. The point stands that any Wakefield fan putting either in a side made up of players they'd not want to see ever pull on a Wakefield shirt is ridiculous.

It’s not based on ability though, it’s a light hearted hypothetical thread based on the reasons the OP outlined.

I’m sure some Wiganers wouldn’t like KC in their line up based on a dislike for him as opposed to his actual playing abilities.

O'Loughlins been surrounded by great players at Wigan over the past few years has he?

I must have missed the games they've played in then.

We're an average side with average players but O'Loughlin isn't one of them. He's not world class and no Farrell or Sculthorpe but he's a very good superleague player and along with Sinfield is one of the best 2 loose forwards in superleague. If Sinfield left his world class chums at Leeds theres a possibility he could crash and burn as you say but if O'Loughlin left Wigan for Wakefield he wouldn't be trading too much in terms of the quality of player alongside him.

He'd be your best player like he is ours.

Better than brough?

If people have him in their sides on the basis they don't like him then thats fair enough(although he doesn't seem an irritating player) but i've read comments questioning his ability which is daft.

As for KC i'd have killed to see him in a Wigan shirt(probably not now though) because he was a world class player and i'm grown up enough to put petty rivalries to one side. I'd have also likes to have seen Sculthorpe, Newlove, Martyn, Joynt etc pull on the Wigan shirt at their peaks and would be made up to see the likes of Graham, Eastmond, Roby etc make the move now.

Shame it won't happen.

I like Brough and it's hard to compare a scrum half to a loose forward but yeah i'd rather have O'Loughlin. His contribution to a side is huge both in attack and defence aswell as the leadership he brings.

I'd rather have Brough. Funny that.

Good job you've got him then and we have O'Loughlin.

I'd have both given the choice.

Indeed and a wondering mind full of distractions, injury record is the obvious issue with Morrison as well as age.

It's clear to see what O'Loughlin brings to Wigan, however, that does not mean he'd have the same impact at Wakefield or Leeds etc.

At Wakefield we have some very good youngsters, and in Dale Ferguson i hope we have a player who will go on to be better than O'Loughlin and for that reason i'd rather we not sign him.

O'Loughlin would require a huge wedge of our salary cap and simply wouldn't justify it. What money we have should be utilised on creative players i.e. Our 6,7 & 9 and with time our youngsters will come through.

having read the last 3 pages or so, id like to clarify my position re wigan players, er none of them thank you, and even fewer of their fans, must be hard however to get a decent perspective of the game with your head inserted so far up your

What a load of old guff, and again so typically arrogant - how can you know he would suceed at Wakey. Worse still how could you presume to know he would out do the players I mentioned.

For my money he wouldn't offer us anywhere near as much as Brough, Obst or JD in the current squad. I also feel Tronc and Millard may well eclipse him though that is pure speculation.

He would probably get in our 17, but would not be an overly crucial player and above all would not be the best player we had signed in the last ten years. That idea is so laughable that I can only assume that you are his dad or insane to spout such tripe.

How i have Vasty and his chip, was getting worried not seen you on here in a while.

Good to see you are back.