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| Quote ="bren2k"Well said; it's patently clear that Box has deliberately maneuvered us into this position because he knows that his own team can't make GH work without WTW's money. Therefore, the feasibility study will say exactly what he wants it to say and he'll spin it as WMDC acting tough with both organisations to get value for money for the people of Wakefield, whilst he high-fives Richard Wright and Co in the executive facilities at GH.
Pretending that this is anything other than a complete stitch-up is disingenuous and dishonest.'"
Totally agree - Cas fans were saying this is what would happen months ago.
What Box and Dicky Wright are trying to do is exactly why we should tell them to stuff GH up there arris and then lets see how Box justifies diverting the parcel of land promised to NM to GH for what has always been planned as a private venture by Cas (until we set up the Community Trust and Dicky Wright cottoned on and changes his tune).
I know its not going to happen, but I would absolutley love it (as Keegan would say) if the feasibility study came back as NM was the most feasible (the look on Box and Dickys faces would be fantastic)
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| just get the feeling the decision is already made ref location and its Glasshoughton.
If anybody thinks SL will grant 2 licences to 2 teams playing in a small town they are in dream land we are dead in the water at Glasshoughton.
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| Quote ="mopseyslovechild"Without going into Detail about Mr Box, his agenda is plain enough for all to see, one ground share at GH if thats what you can call it. For me it would not be a ground share we would just be a cuckoo in their nest.'"
Thats a very mature post for you, where's yer dad
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| I know it must seem to all wakey fans that Mr Box is stitching you up and if i am being honest it does look to be going that way to me too and if the boot were on the other foot i would feel exactly the way you do.
But looking at this from a different angle do you think that this could be Box's way of telling you in a round about way that Newmarket may not get the planning permision that it needs. I dont think that your new ground has ever been the Problem at Newmarket but i do think that the whole industrial side of things is a complete non starter, just down to the fact that this is greenbelt land and the local residents have kicked up a bigenough fuss to be heard. I also think that Yorkcourts only reason behind building your new ground was to sweeten the pot enough to get the full project pushed through planning.
As i have said this is just a different angle of looking at it from and i dare say not a popular one from your point of view, but maybe this is just Mr Box giving Wakefield another option instead of staying at belle vue or going to Barnsley as has been mentioned. Also what is to sat that Glasshoughton or Newmarket are the only 2 options on the table in this feasability study, at the end of the day both clubs futures are in the councils hands now and i wouldnt be surprised if our derbys continued for the next 10 years but not in super league.
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| It now looks like Wakey are really clinging by their fingertips to the edge of the cliff,with if we believe many of the comments,Peter Box ready to stamp on our fingers.
From a Cas perspective,a club from a small town,with a proud history.They have never really had any dramas(financial) of note,bounced back from relegation,have an excellent level of support from their catchment area,excellent youth development and reasonable financial stability.
From a Wakey perspective,a club from a small city with a proud history.Too many financial dramas to mention,poor support from our catchment area,improved youth development and financially unstable.
Lets get real here,its not that Peter Box is waiting to push us off the edge of the cliff that has got us into this postion --- its years of our own poor management.
If this feasibility study is to be measured on timescale viability and funding viability - Glasshoughton will get the nod,even Stevie Wonder could see that.
Unless Wakey have real viable alternatives,which im yet to see evidence of,its goodnight Vienna.Relocating to GH is quite simply not a viable option.Wakey may continue in some form,but i dont see how,when they wont have a home.
IMHO both boards of Cas and Wakey have always been aware for years,that whoever got a new stadium the quickest,would ultimately kill of the other in Super League,with no chance of a return to the top flight for the team ousted.
I say with all sincerity,Good luck to Cas,as i firmly believe that over the years you are probably more deserving of the place in Super League than my own club,due to the way you have been managed.
For me,well,my love affair with Wakey of 30 years and the game will end and to be quite frank im not really sure that i will miss supporting a club that lurches from disaster to disaster.
Really is a sorry state of affairs.
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| Quote ="TURFEDOUT"It now looks like Wakey are really clinging by their fingertips to the edge of the cliff,with if we believe many of the comments,Peter Box ready to stamp on our fingers.
From a Cas perspective,a club from a small town,with a proud history.They have never really had any dramas(financial) of note,bounced back from relegation,have an excellent level of support from their catchment area,excellent youth development and reasonable financial stability.
From a Wakey perspective,a club from a small city with a proud history.Too many financial dramas to mention,poor support from our catchment area,improved youth development and financially unstable.
Lets get real here,its not that Peter Box is waiting to push us off the edge of the cliff that has got us into this postion --- its years of our own poor management.
If this feasibility study is to be measured on timescale viability and funding viability - Glasshoughton will get the nod,even Stevie Wonder could see that.
Agree with some of this as a business our club has been shambolic although I am not usre Cas and some others are any better.
One big issue fro me has always ben the business side of the club its never in my eyes been professional, everything done as cheaply as possible and I cannot see any strategic planning as you say one we bimble along from one crisis to another.
Everything seems to be centred around trials and tribulations.
I will not go to GH and watch a merged team and I will not go to GH to watch a 'Wakefield' Team.
FWIW good luck to Cas with GH but its time the club grew some b*lls and stood on for once if the club folds so be it it would be for the right reasons not the wrong ones adn the level of investment would be minimal.
What would shareholders like me expect to get back from the sale of the ground?
Nothing I presume. The fight is now NM or bust.
Unless Wakey have real viable alternatives,which im yet to see evidence of,its goodnight Vienna.Relocating to GH is quite simply not a viable option.Wakey may continue in some form,but i dont see how,when they wont have a home.
IMHO both boards of Cas and Wakey have always been aware for years,that whoever got a new stadium the quickest,would ultimately kill of the other in Super League,with no chance of a return to the top flight for the team ousted.
I say with all sincerity,Good luck to Cas,as i firmly believe that over the years you are probably more deserving of the place in Super League than my own club,due to the way you have been managed.
For me,well,my love affair with Wakey of 30 years and the game will end and to be quite frank im not really sure that i will miss supporting a club that lurches from disaster to disaster.
Really is a sorry state of affairs.'"
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| Quote ="TURFEDOUT"It now looks like Wakey are really clinging by their fingertips to the edge of the cliff,with if we believe many of the comments,Peter Box ready to stamp on our fingers.
From a Cas perspective,a club from a small town,with a proud history.They have never really had any dramas(financial) of note,bounced back from relegation,have an excellent level of support from their catchment area,excellent youth development and reasonable financial stability.
From a Wakey perspective,a club from a small city with a proud history.Too many financial dramas to mention,poor support from our catchment area,improved youth development and financially unstable.
Lets get real here,its not that Peter Box is waiting to push us off the edge of the cliff that has got us into this postion --- its years of our own poor management.
If this feasibility study is to be measured on timescale viability and funding viability - Glasshoughton will get the nod,even Stevie Wonder could see that.
Unless Wakey have real viable alternatives,which im yet to see evidence of,its goodnight Vienna.Relocating to GH is quite simply not a viable option.Wakey may continue in some form,but i dont see how,when they wont have a home.
IMHO both boards of Cas and Wakey have always been aware for years,that whoever got a new stadium the quickest,would ultimately kill of the other in Super League,with no chance of a return to the top flight for the team ousted.
I say with all sincerity,Good luck to Cas,as i firmly believe that over the years you are probably more deserving of the place in Super League than my own club,due to the way you have been managed.
For me,well,my love affair with Wakey of 30 years and the game will end and to be quite frank im not really sure that i will miss supporting a club that lurches from disaster to disaster.
Really is a sorry state of affairs.'"
that just about says it all
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| turfedout speaks from the heart on his post, and for me this all stems down to Rugby League being run from top to bottom in an amatuer and sometime seemingly corrupt way. We allow Sky TV to dictate our own game and whilst they do bring in much needed revenue they are killing the Rugby League homeland.
The RFL has different rules for different clubs depending on how 'fashionable' you are - Wakey and Cas risk losing Super League Status if they don't have a shiney new stadium, however i ask the question if the people behind saints stadium suddenly colapsed would saints be kicked out of super league????
Like Turfedout i think the ground share has been on the agenda for some time for both clubs although they will not openly admit it and i expect it has been worked on behind the clubs *bull muck*.
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| Quote ="tropical1"turfedout speaks from the heart on his post, and for me this all stems down to Rugby League being run from top to bottom in an amatuer and sometime seemingly corrupt way. We allow Sky TV to dictate our own game and whilst they do bring in much needed revenue they are killing the Rugby League homeland.
The RFL has different rules for different clubs depending on how 'fashionable' you are - Wakey and Cas risk losing Super League Status if they don't have a shiney new stadium, however i ask the question if the people behind saints stadium suddenly colapsed would saints be kicked out of super league????
Like Turfedout i think the ground share has been on the agenda for some time for both clubs although they will not openly admit it and i expect it has been worked on behind the clubs *bull muck*.'"
How right you are and instead of all the mistrust in Box, have a closer look at Rod Walker, he has wanted this all along
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| Quote ="ambernotyeller"How right you are and instead of all the mistrust in Box, have a closer look at Rod Walker, he has wanted this all along'"
Why would Rodney Walker want this?
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| Quote ="TURFEDOUT"Why would Rodney Walker want this?'"
God only knows but since Newmarket was announced he has been sounding a short term share till NM is up and running.
Wouldnt trust him as much a Richard Wright and thats not at all.
We have all been shafted by those with a financial or political interest and the only ones that care for the clubs are the poor saps on the crumbling terraces
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| Quote ="ambernotyeller"[uWe have all been shafted by those with a financial or political interest [/uand the only ones that care for the clubs are the poor saps on the crumbling terraces'"
You have been shafted by political interest. Theres only one club in danger of being shafted by political interest and it isnt Castleford and lets leave it at that. Pull your trousers up before your mam and dad get home from the pub and go and support that team your pretending to have an interest in
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| Drove through Newmarket from Stanley to get to the CAS ground it took a nice 5 minutes to get to CAS, On the way back it took 5mins to get to stanley. Ideal for both sets of fans NEWMARKET. Cas you should be grateful where ever the ground will be as a small district and Newmaket is a ideal 5minute drive away for you and Wakey fans travelling from lupset and town that is also 5 minutes away. Cas you are been very sellfish on the matter sort it out and stop been a ungrateful little district. !
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| i get it now, you're some sort of reverse troll aren't you?
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| Quote ="fatboystu"i get it now, you're some sort of reverse troll aren't you?'"
Well you got it quicker than some.
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| Fast becoming a pointless thread, because there isn't a hope in hell of anyone from Cas saying, "do you know what, now I think about it, Newmarket is a great idea," and the same for Wakey fans when talking about Glasshoughton. All we get is two sides bickering, and occasionally Gaslight will appear with his notion that we should go to Glasshoughton because it's next to a ski slope.
Sick of the whole thing.
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| Quote ="Slugger McBatt"Fast becoming a pointless thread, because there isn't a hope in hell of anyone from Cas saying, "do you know what, now I think about it, Newmarket is a great idea," and the same for Wakey fans when talking about Glasshoughton. All we get is two sides bickering, and occasionally Gaslight will appear with his notion that we should go to Glasshoughton because it's next to a ski slope.
Sick of the whole thing.'"
I don't think playing there is a great idea BUT after thinking about it, I'm a Castleford fan and I'd support them wherever so if came to the crunch, I would support them at Newmarket but only if Glasshoughton was never viable.
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| Quote ="Fully"I don't think playing there is a great idea BUT after thinking about it, I'm a Castleford fan and I'd support them wherever so if came to the crunch, I would support them at Newmarket but only if Glasshoughton was never viable.'"
Now you mention, I would probably go to Glasshoughton, just to check it out. This is more like it.
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| Quote ="Slugger McBatt"Now you mention, I would probably go to Glasshoughton, just to check it out. This is more like it.
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I suppose what it boils down to is that you're a fan of the club and you'd follow them. I have black and amber in my blood.
I know there are plenty that wouldn't be happy about it or wouldn't go - that's their prerogative, but I'm sure if it was a nice shiny stadium, with a winning team a lot would go. Put it this way, 15,000 signed the petition. Why don't the majority of those turn out to support their side?
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| Quote ="Fully"I suppose what it boils down to is that you're a fan of the club and you'd follow them. I have black and amber in my blood.
I know there are plenty that wouldn't be happy about it or wouldn't go - that's their prerogative, but I'm sure if it was a nice shiny stadium, with a winning team a lot would go. Put it this way, 15,000 signed the petition. Why don't the majority of those turn out to support their side?'"
Apathy.
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| Quote ="Fully"I suppose what it boils down to is that you're a fan of the club and you'd follow them. I have black and amber in my blood.
I know there are plenty that wouldn't be happy about it or wouldn't go - that's their prerogative, but I'm sure if it was a nice shiny stadium, with a winning team a lot would go. Put it this way, 15,000 signed the petition. Why don't the majority of those turn out to support their side?'"
Because people will sign anything just to get away from the person shoving it under there noses, especially if they are not bothered either way. Unless it is an issue that people have a a strong viewpoint on people will just sign to get away from being bothered. Then factor in all the people who took petitions to friends and relatives, and the fact no of us know what was actually said to the people signing Im sure there will of been all sorts of rhetoric. All this is why the petition holds very little water, plus people were not given a balanced view of the negatives of any scheme.
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| Quote ="rugbyball"Because people will sign anything just to get away from the person shoving it under there noses, especially if they are not bothered either way. Unless it is an issue that people have a a strong viewpoint on people will just sign to get away from being bothered. Then factor in all the people who took petitions to friends and relatives, and the fact no of us know what was actually said to the people signing Im sure there will of been all sorts of rhetoric. All this is why the petition holds very little water, plus people were not given a balanced view of the negatives of any scheme.'"
Rugbyball, do you have any other hobbies apart from coming on here, you know, intrests? things your passionate about? Im sort of assuming this has become your lifes work as friends and heaven forbid sexual partners would seem unlikely.
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| Quote ="Fully"Put it this way, 15,000 signed the petition. Why don't the majority of those turn out to support their side?'"
They will once the stadium is constructed.Despite,as has been pointed out,the apathy they have for a country that does not support sport and a country with its self-serving politicians.
For example,Ken Livingstone has never been to a sporting event in his life but was shown being jubilant when London was awarded the Olympic Games.The NIMBY's are ignored,it seems,in this case.It has taken SWAG years to get this far.The politicians quite gladly accept the freebie tickets to attend sporting events,of course.Look how far behind the rest of Europe the national game of soccer was when it came to stadia 20 or so years ago.
Why should working people have to devote so much of their own time and effort to bring about something which should be provided ?
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| Quote ="Fully"I suppose what it boils down to is that you're a fan of the club and you'd follow them. I have black and amber in my blood.
I know there are plenty that wouldn't be happy about it or wouldn't go - that's their prerogative, but I'm sure if it was a nice shiny stadium, with a winning team a lot would go. [uPut it this way, 15,000 signed the petition. Why don't the majority of those turn out to support their side[/u?'"
They did not sign up to be fans they signed up to support better sporting facillites at Newmarket.
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