Think you make my point better than I ever could. The moment your kind get any resistance you mount your highest of your high horses and the hipocracy flows forward in great torrents of self regarding twaddle - moralistic fascism in all its glory.

History is history warts and all and it should remain unedited. Funny how you want to correct a fifty year old cartoon - yet should I wish to remove Britain's part in the slave trade from history to make a 'nicer' world oh the howlings you'd make.

It's very simple Bren so listen closely - it's up to an individual as to what they see and read NOT you and your little bunch of liberals. Who the hell set you up as the judge of what others see, say and read.

Your post encapsulates the arrogance of the so called PC brigade. How dare you, what have you and others done for you to assume the moral high ground. Answer - nothing you're totally self appointed.

Even funnier given your distaste for the church - personally with your judgemental nature and moral superiority complex I reckon you'd fit right in!

As predicted - a perfectly reasonable contribution to the discussion, is met with the OTT, frothing opprobrium of a less literate Daily Mail columnist; together with a second reference to fascism and use of the always reliable "so called."

You stick with ad-hominem nastiness Vasty, and your world-weary scorn of changing social norms as some kind of liberal guerrilla tactic to upend your paradigm; I'll just continue, wherever possible and reasonably practicable, to be nice to people.

And again a touch arrogance. It's a big emotive issue that you can't sanitise I'm afraid - if we are ever to sort these kind of issues then discussions MUST be frank and honest stuff people's feelings. I'm sorry Bren I actually quite like you even respect you a bit in an odd way but this issue matters to me and many others who don't always feel happy with the new world order LEFT or TRUMP right. so in the words of Mrs Merton lets have a heated debate.

I by the way didn't start this debate just put forward an alternative opinion

Why not just a debate? Heated is unnecessary and just descended to name calling.

I am absolutely against censorship but the Tom and Jerry example is not that.
It is simply being done to allow the old cartoons to be more acceptable in modern times.
It's not like someone is rewriting Gone With the Wind with no black people in it. That is a film about a time in history and should remain at least to a Hollywood level to the truth.
Tom and Jerry is a simple cartoon where the images being taken out are not historic and add or remove nothing from the enjoyment of the cartoon.
If it wasn't changed they would just do a different cartoon that fits modern times better.

It bothered me at first when Nicky Fury was changed from the comic appearance. But to be honest I've let it go. It's still good and they are trying to show the Avengers as they would be today.
Same with Annie........much better second time but not the same.
Same with James Bond. History is being rewritten as Bond is taking on villains from countries that were never considered by Fleming. Doesn't mean they are rewriting history. They are just modernising a story.......a la Tom and Jerry.

If we do a film about World War 2 that implies there were no Jewish concentration camps, then we have a problem. Would you allow the film for free speech or would you ban it as offensive. Personally I'd make them change it or ban it.

Sorry if I've missed it, but what are the parts of Tom and Jerry that are edited? Is it the so called violence or the maids legs.

Lol. Im arguing and I don't even know.
I assumed it was the maid not the violence. Without the violence it's just Springwatch.

I presume it's the maids legs but I haven't got the edited versions so not 100%

Well I never

I'm guessing it's the black maid herself, the cartoon may have been seen to depict all black women as maids/slaves?

It's that and the fact she is so much the old characature of black people in it, no harm intended i'm sure but she's always with the watermelon and chicken legs etc.

There is no arrogance - and I make no attempt to sanitise; the point I'm making is that there are much bigger issues around equality and discrimination still to be dealt with - and it's hardly a sign of creeping liberal fascism when a cartoon distributor chooses to delete some of the racially insensitive sight gags from its aged content, so as to allow it still to be watched without needlessly offending people, or attracting criticism. And I don't think the edits are likely to detract from the narrative integrity of a Tom and Jerry cartoon.

And for those who condemn this without actually knowing what was removed - primarily the sambo gags, some OTT violence, and some behaviour that they wouldn't want to be seen as endorsing for the very young age group who might watch - such as smoking.

This is not PC - gone mad or otherwise - it's the right thing to do, coupled with commercial good sense; and I maintain that political correctness is just another way to describe being nicer, and that can't be a bad thing.

I'd forgotten about the smoking part.

I don't find it offensive but it looks really strange to me when you watch the older films with people smoking.....especially when it is seen as sexy to blow smoke in someone's face.

Equally I'm glad that my son's TV heroes don't smoke. The message is a lot easier to deliver for a dad to a young kid.

I don't think the smoking was removed for reasons of offence - rather, for all the reasons you've described.

Many of the modern dramas and films contain smoking. You probably havn't noticed it.
Smoking is still very much in evidence but its not tobacco.

It always surprises me when the Dambusters film is trotted out every Christmas that Guy Gibsons black Labradour is still called what most black dogs were called in those days.

Can't beleive bobody has mentioned bah-bah black sheep yet.

Broad walk empire springs to mind.theres not two minutes go by without someone shoving a fag in their gob!

Surely in these politically correct times both Hull FC and Widnes should be forced to change from their traditional colours to a neutral gray.

I think I can confidently say that Boardwalk Empire was aiming for a different demographic than Tom and Jerry.

Undoubtedly so...
out of interest Bren what your view on the classic RIsing damp? Would you find some of the comments made by rigsby not acceptable nowadays if done in a modern version of rising damp?

I don't remember it in great detail, but I seem to recall that whilst Rigsby was racist - a lot of the comedy in that show was aimed at him [i*because*[/i of his racism; perhaps it was holding a mirror up to the prevailing attitudes of the time, rather than joining in? It certainly didn't have the nasty feel of Alf Garnett or that daft twaddle about the language school.

I think it was re-done for the stage a few years ago and directed by Don Warrington, who played Philip in the original series - so that would suggest he was ok with it.

The language thing was 'Mind Your Language'
I can remember laughing at that.

It's on famous video site.
It's painful now.
It's not so much offensive as just a list of racial stereotypes and cliché comments about 'Johnny foreigner'

Watched the Rising Damp episode this teatime, classic

laughed from start to finish

I guess that's true about the show Love Thy Neighbour, the white guy was racist but also made out to be a fool

It's still very funny.
I've got the complete Love thy Neighbour on DVD!
I'll 'ave half!