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| Quote ="alegend"Think it there is no change in coaching set up we will struggle in championship. .'"
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| He is the board and it was less than 24 hours between WP leaving and the appointment of our new coach so not much time for anyone to apply.
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| Quote ="Scarlet Pimpernell"He is the board and it was less than 24 hours between WP leaving and the appointment of our new coach so not much time for anyone to apply.'"
Or alternatively, no he isn't the only one.
And it was 24 hours from you knowing about it.
Hope that helps.
Who was it that you wanted them to appoint?
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| Quote ="PopTart"Or alternatively, no he isn't the only one.
And it was 24 hours from you knowing about it.
Hope that helps.
Who was it that you wanted them to appoint?'"
Based on current results anyone I guess but at least see who is out there unless their decision was based on something other than ability.
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| That's not what you said. Who did you want before they gave it to Mash?
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| I wasn't keen when they announced they gave it to Mash and said so on here.
However, listening to him he's made me think he's better than I thought and I'm happy to see if the decision works out.
It's no good constantly changing decisions. Especially based on fan feedback when they don't know any of the details behind it.
For me you stick with your decision and add support to it rather than changing and going back to square one
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| They knew they were not retaining WP so had every opportunity to see if anyone wanted the position. We did not even try we just appointed because I believe and it is only my opinion they thought him to be more malleable than an experienced coach.
I suppose that regardless of what the “boards “ decisions were and the reasons one of them will leave at the end of the season, I fear what he will leave behind playing wise.
I suppose if we are relegated we won’t need quite so many press or director’s seats in the new stand.
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| Quote ="Scarlet Pimpernell"They knew they were not retaining WP so had every opportunity to see if anyone wanted the position. We did not even try we just appointed because I believe and it is only my opinion they thought him to be more malleable than an experienced coach.
I suppose that regardless of what the “boards “ decisions were and the reasons one of them will leave at the end of the season, I fear what he will leave behind playing wise.
I suppose if we are relegated we won’t need quite so many press or director’s seats in the new stand.'"
Malleable to what exactly?
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| Lot's of talk about the coach and whether he should go or not.
One of the sky pundits (McDermot?) said Wayne Bennett would struggle to coach our players. He's right and not being disrespectful. The player quality is simply not there-doesn't mean they're not trying, but you cannot coach what isn't in there.
If you get rid of Mash (and at what cost?) who's the available proven coach we know would get us out of this mess? (and at what cost?)
IF I knew with certainty that a certain coach was out there who could do that, then I'd go for it, even if it meant borrowing the money to do it! BUT it would be a huge gamble, certainly not worth the risk IMO, and I really doubt any coach would get our players to respond!
I'm a realist and can't see a way out of this-hope I'm wrong-but for me the inevitable will happen this year.
I'm a bit sick of one sided SL anyway the only thing I'll miss about it is the bigger crowd we get in SL compared to what we'll get in the championship, when I suppose 50% of our 'loyal' supporters will disappear!
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| Quote ="1315trinity"Lot's of talk about the coach and whether he should go or not.
One of the sky pundits (McDermot?) said Wayne Bennett would struggle to coach our players. He's right and not being disrespectful. The player quality is simply not there-doesn't mean they're not trying, but you cannot coach what isn't in there.
If you get rid of Mash (and at what cost?) who's the available proven coach we know would get us out of this mess? (and at what cost?)
IF I knew with certainty that a certain coach was out there who could do that, then I'd go for it, even if it meant borrowing the money to do it! BUT it would be a huge gamble, certainly not worth the risk IMO, and I really doubt any coach would get our players to respond!
I'm a realist and can't see a way out of this-hope I'm wrong-but for me the inevitable will happen this year.
I'm a bit sick of one sided SL anyway the only thing I'll miss about it is the bigger crowd we get in SL compared to what we'll get in the championship, when I suppose 50% of our 'loyal' supporters will disappear!'"
If we do get relegated and start to win we may get new supporters
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| Quote ="djcool"If we do get relegated and start to win we may get new supporters'"
That's true - if only we could keep the support we have though, that would be a dream!
There would be some good local derbies and as you say winning some games.
I actually enjoyed a lot of the games when we had such as Mark Conway, John Glancy, Paul Mallender, etc playing. we played good rugby and won!
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| Quote ="1315trinity"That's true - if only we could keep the support we have though, that would be a dream!
There would be some good local derbies and as you say winning some games.
I actually enjoyed a lot of the games when we had such as Mark Conway, John Glancy, Paul Mallender, etc playing. we played good rugby and won!'" I enjoyed when we came back to super league, we played some good stuff under Andy Kelly, we travelled in decent numbers, everyone got on, we had a good time with no expectations, now we get fed endless lies and most accept mediocrity and hang on the messiahs every word. It seems like a jolly boys club at times and people should remember it's the fans club and not theirs.
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| Quote ="1315trinity"Lot's of talk about the coach and whether he should go or not.
One of the sky pundits (McDermot?) said Wayne Bennett would struggle to coach our players. He's right and not being disrespectful. The player quality is simply not there-doesn't mean they're not trying, but you cannot coach what isn't in there.
If you get rid of Mash (and at what cost?) who's the available proven coach we know would get us out of this mess? (and at what cost?)
IF I knew with certainty that a certain coach was out there who could do that, then I'd go for it, even if it meant borrowing the money to do it! BUT it would be a huge gamble, certainly not worth the risk IMO, and I really doubt any coach would get our players to respond!
I'm a realist and can't see a way out of this-hope I'm wrong-but for me the inevitable will happen this year.
I'm a bit sick of one sided SL anyway the only thing I'll miss about it is the bigger crowd we get in SL compared to what we'll get in the championship, when I suppose 50% of our 'loyal' supporters will disappear!'"
TBF I don’t think things could get any worse than having a coach with a 100% losing rate.
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| Speaking of Willie Poching and "Time to Go" just seen on Twitter that Willie is heading back home to NZ after 25 years here.
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| Quote ="PopTart"I don't see that at all. There is lots of effort going on, just not the execution.'"
If you see effort in Atoni then I’m watching a different game ,he’s supposed to be our replacement for Fifita or Arona neither of which he could lace their boots with his pitiful performances so far . I personally don’t see Jorge breaking any pots , or dare I say lynne or Hood . As much of our supposed quality players are under performing and as you call it (the effort) is then left to the rest to pick up the pieces , which is why we are where we are , staring down the barrel
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| can't see any point in bringing players like Proctor Atoni and Jorge over here when they are no better than Battye Crowther and Kershaw. In fact it's debateable as whether they are any better than Croft Shaw and Brad Walker who were all let go because they were supposed to be not good enough
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| Quote ="Kettykat"If you see effort in Atoni then I’m watching a different game ,he’s supposed to be our replacement for Fifita or Arona neither of which he could lace their boots with his pitiful performances so far . I personally don’t see Jorge breaking any pots , or dare I say lynne or Hood . As much of our supposed quality players are under performing and as you call it (the effort) is then left to the rest to pick up the pieces , which is why we are where we are , staring down the barrel'"
I agree about Atoni.
I'm not saying he isn't trying but the effort he's putting in isn't good enough for me.
The others I don't agree.
Jorge isn't TJ or Murphy. He never has been. He was getting the most yards of any player in the team when he was playing. They are just hard yards. I wish he was a bit faster.
But equally when you watch Langi, Smith, Lino, they tried everything they could to get us across that line against Cas.
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| I haven't come across one person who has been 'happy' with Atoni, yet he continues to be selected. Why isn't he loaned out to Bradford and not Butler?! Don't get me wrong, I really don't think there's any difference between the props we have, Whitbread stands out and the rest are barely Super League standard. Also, Smith is only playing because Gaskell got injured, so i wonder if he will walk straight back in??
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| Funnily enough, Atoni made 27 tackles and no misses against Cas and carried 12 times with an average of 6.
I'd prefer more metres but that was probably his best game so far for involvement.
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| Quote ="PopTart"Funnily enough, Atoni made 27 tackles and no misses against Cas and carried 12 times with an average of 6.
I'd prefer more metres but that was probably his best game so far for involvement.'"
He made that run in the second half when you thought yeah, that's more like it! I just don't know whether it's fitness, attitude or what with him, but he surely must be better than what he's showed so far....
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| I think you are all forgetting our most expensive player. Proctor has been absolute rubbish, incapable of no more than 15 effective minutes and most of that time bent double with his Harris in the air and more steam comming out of it than the flying scotsman
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| With a new coaching set up and a major recruitment drive, we could well produce the worst season from any club in super league history. No wins and hardly any points scores so far, I can't remember a side being this poor.
I'm usually a little cautious of a wholesale change, as often it felt that a new start might just be around the corner. Take 2006 for example. That was a good squad, and a lot of games still felt competitive. This year, it feels hopeless. At least we'd have the comfort of knowing it can't get any worse. Lose on Sunday and Leigh are out of sight for us. Hull FC are bound to get better. A faltering Cas is our only hope.
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| I think both Cas and Hull will get much better leaving us in a world of pain at the bottom of the table
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| Quote ="FIL"I think both Cas and Hull will get much better leaving us in a world of pain at the bottom of the table
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| Yep - I see little or no hope for the rest of this season whether or not we change the coach. Basically we have a championship squad playing a division above their level and I'm not sure anyone is going to be able to change that. I see plenty of effort from most of the players but we are just outclassed in games. I gave up on away matches about 3 seasons ago but even the thought of a home game fills me with dread at the moment and the 80 mile round trip doesn't help. Don't remember feeling so low about our prospects in over 50 years of supporting.
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