Suprised not to see Kirkmond appear in more peoples selections.

It's the one position really where we have lots of quality though isn't it??

Johnson - player of year last year
Mariano - a close second to Johnson for me
Southern - NRL star
Lauititi - Brilliant on his day (has ripped us apart several times)
Howarth - Looked good last year at times and will improve
Washbrook - Probably going to be Agar's first choice at Loose

Plus youngsters coming through that we want to see get game time

Whilst I liked Kirmond last time he was here, he was never spectacular or a match winner which is (hopefully) what is in front of him.

The thing is, The coach brings in players to improve on what you have, Id be very supprised if all the players brought in are not in the 1-17 shirts.

If Kirmond gets a game in front of Johnson or Mariano, the world's gone mad.

Why?

It's a squad game in which case one week one will get the nod the next week they won't. Also there is no guarantee that either Marriano or Johnson will maintain form in which case options are required.

For me they all start off equal and if M & J don't want to play second fiddle they know what they need to do. I welcome two quality players like these, I especially like Kirmond who IMO is a better player at the moment than Marriano..

I was responding to Mable's suggestion that the players being brought in represent an improvement on those that are here now; I don't believe that to be the case in the examples cited.

I see. Any way they are IMHO a huge leap forward from the players we were having to sign last year. I know we hit lucky on o few last year but I can't see us getting away with it twice.

Agreed - I thought we unearthed a couple of gems in Mariano and Johnson and both of them ran their blood to water for a lost cause; most of the other desperation signings we made were not so positive.

Kirmond, by comparison, had a very average latter 1/2 of the season, just when Shudds needed their players to dig in and turn the tide - which they failed to do.

Not sure where you have got that from, most Hudds fans seem to think he had a very good end of season. I can't really comment because I can't say I saw enough of Hudds, but what I did see he wasn't one of the weaker links.

Kirmond isn't as good as mariano or johnson, don't see how anyone can argue against that.

Vasty will - we have an uneasy truce, but now that the off-season is here and there is no rugby to catch the attention, he yearns for the days when we were mortal enemies, so he can have a good old scrap.

On a similar vein, I might start doing spelling and grammar again during the off-season, just to keep me out of trouble innit.

I can and will. Kirmond is decent and has a good attitude, just like those two. Not much in them although from what I saw last year he may have the edge with ball in hand, but then again Johnson was at prop to be fair so not there to be throwing it around. Happy with all three. I disagree he isn't as good as those two he is at least on par imo

After seeing Johnson recently I would definately say he is intending to play prop next year

Not at all, is it so wrong not to agree with everything you say. I've always rated Kirmond, don't know much about Raliegh. Why make it personal

you're heading towards the paranoia that afflicts a certain other poster - don't go there it's not worth it.

Anyway I'm backing a signing, I thought that was the kind of positive attitude you liked. Surely you're not being fickle

Exactly how I see it, I'm pleased as punch with the signings - doesn't make me disloyal to existing players which seems to be the implication. I rate all four of them which is good, I really can't see what the issue is.

With the options we have I think Johnson will be playing prop next year. As for the Mariano v Kirmond debate, Frankie probably has the edge in attack whilst Kirmond is the better defender so i'm happy whichever way Agar gdecides to go.

Has he bulked up? And are we talking muscle or macd's lol

Maybe he has put his hand up as a prop and Clawson or someone has him on a plan to achieve this.

It was all in jest Vasty - that said, yes, it is wrong to disagree with me.

I do like your new-found positivity - keep on keeping on!

To be honest he looks like he has turned most of his fatty bits into muscle.

Whereas you could spend the winter learning how to use the quote function on RLFans.

I'll have a go.
I'm not promising much though, all my spare time will be taken on basic English and Grammar classes. Gotta b on da ball on dis forum !!!

U iz fik n carnt spel propa!

Have you seen the movie "Attack the Block?" Virtually every line of dialogue is spoken in that kind of 'yoof-speak' - it was, at times, like watching a foreign language film. Believe.

I no vis is y I'm off to basic inglish and gramma classes instead ov pickin nits. Respek!!