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| Thanks Dunk. I agree, Richard's summary is pretty good and covers what they said.
I liked Mash's attitude to Friday. He knew it was important and they are putting the work in but also that they were confident in their own abilities as a team and would play the game not the occasion. Too easy to get caught in the emotion like we will.
On the takeover I was pleased that JM is taking his responsibility seriously too. He sees the advantage of bigger investment and is working on making it happen, but also wants to make sure we are in a better position after the takeover than before. Doesn't want to just give custody of the club unless the team taking over are in a good place to do a good job for Trinity. So it takes time.
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| Quote ="PopTart"Thanks Dunk. I agree, Richard's summary is pretty good and covers what they said.
I liked Mash's attitude to Friday. He knew it was important and they are putting the work in but also that they were confident in their own abilities as a team and would play the game not the occasion. Too easy to get caught in the emotion like we will.
On the takeover I was pleased that JM is taking his responsibility seriously too. He sees the advantage of bigger investment and is working on making it happen, but also wants to make sure we are in a better position after the takeover than before. Doesn't want to just give custody of the club unless the team taking over are in a good place to do a good job for Trinity. So it takes time.'"
This was my first attendance at one of these meetings and thought there were some good points raised..
Regarding the takeover……
It would appear John Minards has fostered some strong relationships with various bodies and organisations…. And while this purely my opinion… is there not a role there in the future for JM in making sure that this continues, if/when the takeover happens?
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| Quote ="Belle Vue"This was my first attendance at one of these meetings and thought there were some good points raised..
Regarding the takeover……
It would appear John Minards has fostered some strong relationships with various bodies and organisations…. And while this purely my opinion… is there not a role there in the future for JM in making sure that this continues, if/when the takeover happens?'"
I couldn't agree more. It was raised by someone but I think Ellis would be foolish not to keep Minards in the organisation.
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| Thanks for the updates DS & PT.
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| Quote ="Belle Vue"This was my first attendance at one of these meetings and thought there were some good points raised..
Regarding the takeover……
It would appear John Minards has fostered some strong relationships with various bodies and organisations…. And while this purely my opinion… is there not a role there in the future for JM in making sure that this continues, if/when the takeover happens?'"
That would be ideal really. Whilst we would all like this to go through quickly I felt assured listening to our chairman that he is working in the best interests of the clubs future.
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| Quote ="AMI"That would be ideal really. Whilst we would all like this to go through quickly I felt assured listening to our chairman that he is working in the best interests of the clubs future.'"
Yes
Knows the club inside out..
Has good relationships with the council , IMG and the RFL which will be invaluable in any up and coming negotiations.
Is doing what he said he was going to do and is delivering on the East stand.
Partnered up with Morgan Sindall and others for plan’s regarding the rolling shack .2024 I think was mentioned last night..
I’d be more than happy to see him in the role , working with Ellis..
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| Certainly would have the knowledge.
Looking at it from a different perspective though, Matthew Ellis may want his own team, and start with a clean slate. We've had instances in the past, and I'm sure we're not alone, by having previous CEO's board members stay on into the next regime, and it not be a success.
The Ellis' family business is very successful, ran well in all aspects, if he wants to make a serious difference to the club, and bring in his own team, without current board members, for me, I'd be OK with that.
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| Quote ="Eastern Wildcat"Certainly would have the knowledge.
Looking at it from a different perspective though, Matthew Ellis may want his own team, and start with a clean slate. We've had instances in the past, and I'm sure we're not alone, by having previous CEO's board members stay on into the next regime, and it not be a success.
The Ellis' family business is very successful, ran well in all aspects, if he wants to make a serious difference to the club, and bring in his own team, without current board members, for me, I'd be OK with that.'"
It's not that I wouldn't be ok with it so much as, where is he going to get this team from? It won't be his current team. They are running the kitchen business.
We have a lot of projects moving well but not finished.
If Minards stayed, he wouldn't be a shareholder, he'd be an employee. ......with vast knowledge of whats going on and a leader. They'd be foolish to overlook him.
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| Quote ="PopTart"It's not that I wouldn't be ok with it so much as, where is he going to get this team from? It won't be his current team. They are running the kitchen business.
We have a lot of projects moving well but not finished.
If Minards stayed, he wouldn't be a shareholder, he'd be an employee. ......with vast knowledge of whats going on and a leader. They'd be foolish to overlook him.'" fresh start needed, drain the swamp and get rid of all.the hangers on and grovellers. He'd be nothing more than a distraction from a previous regime.
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| Thanks for the updates guys.
All seems positive to me.
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| Quote ="MOPSEY LIVES ON"fresh start needed, drain the swamp and get rid of all.the hangers on and grovellers. He'd be nothing more than a distraction from a previous regime.'"
Calling him a hanger on shows a lack of understanding of what he does.
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| Quote ="PopTart"Calling him a hanger on shows a lack of understanding of what he does.'" I didn't call him one, that's you again trying to twist things. Jm needs to go he's come up short, hes tried his best but it's not been good enough.
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| Quote ="MOPSEY LIVES ON"I didn't call him one, that's you again trying to twist things. Jm needs to go he's come up short, hes tried his best but it's not been good enough.'"
Would you care to explain where he’s come up short?
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| Quote ="Eastern Wildcat"Certainly would have the knowledge.
Looking at it from a different perspective though, Matthew Ellis may want his own team, and start with a clean slate. We've had instances in the past, and I'm sure we're not alone, by having previous CEO's board members stay on into the next regime, and it not be a success.
The Ellis' family business is very successful, ran well in all aspects, if he wants to make a serious difference to the club, and bring in his own team, without current board members, for me, I'd be OK with that.'"
I could see why he would want to do that…
Let’s hope that if he does have a team behind him they have a decent track record for such things..
Mike Rush at st Helen’s would be a start….
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| Quote ="MOPSEY LIVES ON"I didn't call him one, that's you again trying to twist things. Jm needs to go he's come up short, hes tried his best but it's not been good enough.'"
I don't follow. You said he needs to clear out the hangers on, in reply to someone suggesting Minards should stay.
Now you are saying he's come up short and isn't good enough.
So just to clarify, I still disagree and still think you don't understand what he does.
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| Quote ="PopTart"I don't follow. You said he needs to clear out the hangers on, in reply to someone suggesting Minards should stay.
Now you are saying he's come up short and isn't good enough.
So just to clarify, I still disagree and still think you don't understand what he does.'"
I don’t think that some on here understand very much how JM has done recently for getting this redevelopment done, the number of Businesses and organisations he has built up a reputation and although it wasn’t really mentioned in Richard Whitehead post, there is still other projects going ahead. The next one I believe is the Rollin Shack, if this does happen, then a lot of people/organisations involved will need the skills and knowledge that JM has within the sports, financial and commercial world. Ellis would not regret having JM onside.
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| Quote ="PopTart"I don't follow. You said he needs to clear out the hangers on, in reply to someone suggesting Minards should stay.
Now you are saying he's come up short and isn't good enough.
So just to clarify, I still disagree and still think you don't understand what he does.'"
Delayed stand ( not a stadium ) with no hospitality boxes
A shocking North stand development
Debt at approx 4 million
Cash flow and finance leading to the share issue and mcs dad pumping 300 grand in
Terrible recruitment for about 4 years and a team losing 16 in a row until ME donation, leaving us on the brink of relegation.
I've no doubt he's tried his best but imo he's come up short.
All the current regime should go and some new blood with fresh ideas brought in.
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| Quote ="MOPSEY LIVES ON"Delayed stand ( not a stadium ) with no hospitality boxes
A shocking North stand development
Debt at approx 4 million
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Terrible recruitment for about 4 years and a team losing 16 in a row until ME donation, leaving us on the brink of relegation.
I've no doubt he's tried his best but imo he's come up short.
All the current regime should go and some new blood with fresh ideas brought in.'"
Still stand by my answer.
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| It was reported on Red White and Blue by a Richard Whitehead that JM advised ` the western terrace is on the list to be improved but again its all down to cost ` and that the ` lights were turned off the moment the ladies game finished ( saving pennies on the leccy bill is still a priority ) `
These two statements above all else reported from the meeting once more highlight the need to get the deal done asap. Its inconceivable to understand how JM expects to pay the bills without Matt Ellis taking over. It has been stated that the debt is 4 million plus, was this confirmed last night ? if true then that is going to cost well in excess of £ 200,000 a year at least to repay, then we presumably have trading losses which I think were alluded to last night, plus Sky money looks like been reduced. Maybe JM has one of those money trees
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| Quote ="MOPSEY LIVES ON"Delayed stand ( not a stadium ) with no hospitality boxes
A shocking North stand development
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Terrible recruitment for about 4 years and a team losing 16 in a row until ME donation, leaving us on the brink of relegation.
I've no doubt he's tried his best but imo he's come up short.
All the current regime should go and some new blood with fresh ideas brought in.'"
You seem to be forgetting the assets far outweigh the debts. £4 million debt £15 million assets. Same as myself and millions of other, I took out a bank loan 3 years ago to part fund a property extension, so I’ve got debt of a few grand, but owning my own property I’ve got assets of over £250 K, that’s how the money world works, I’m sure you know that, so why all the negativity?.
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| Quote ="bellycouldtackle"It was reported on Red White and Blue by a Richard Whitehead that JM advised ` the western terrace is on the list to be improved but again its all down to cost ` and that the ` lights were turned off the moment the ladies game finished ( saving pennies on the leccy bill is still a priority ) `
These two statements above all else reported from the meeting once more highlight the need to get the deal done asap. Its inconceivable to understand how JM expects to pay the bills without Matt Ellis taking over. It has been stated that the debt is 4 million plus, was this confirmed last night ? if true then that is going to cost well in excess of £ 200,000 a year at least to repay, then we presumably have trading losses which I think were alluded to last night, plus Sky money looks like been reduced. Maybe JM has one of those money trees'"
JM didn't say the lights were turned off for cost saving.
£4 million debt on £15 million asset is pretty good.
The money tree is on the East side of the field.
Of course we could do with more money. It doesn't mean you just give it all up to someone shaking some notes. We've had that before.
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| I’d be happy for John Minnards to stop on or at least for the cross over period,he’s doing a good job in my opinion. It’s up to Matt Ellis and his people who he brings.
Up the Trin
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| For those at the meeting who heard the conversation about Social Media, there was a comment about some comms ending all the wild negative comments.
.....I guess this proves the opposite.
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| Our new incumbent is obviously an excellent business man running a hugely successful kitchen company , but imo would be foolish to not have Minards onboard in some capacity ,as he know the clubs dealings inside and out ,and running a successful RL club ,as we all hope it will be in the not too distant future is a far cry from a kitchen company I think we’ll all agree . Johns contacts in and around the game with prove invaluable I’m sure in the coming years .
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| Quote ="Kettykat"Our new incumbent is obviously an excellent business man running a hugely successful kitchen company , but imo would be foolish to not have Minards onboard in some capacity ,as he know the clubs dealings inside and out ,and running a successful RL club ,as we all hope it will be in the not too distant future is a far cry from a kitchen company I think we’ll all agree . Johns contacts in and around the game with prove invaluable I’m sure in the coming years .'"
Success?
What success exactly has the club had really, since John Minards came in at the end of 2018, besides the ground improvements
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