Not only the amount of penalties we conceded but we couldn't defend them and nearly always let a try in, not only last season but seasons before. Hopefully we've cleaned it up and continue to play attacking rugby league.

brilliant!

Not being picky jakeyg95 but Grix won't be turning out for England in Melbourne, he's Irish.

Love the way you parasite off the back of others, never got the bottle on your own have you Adam tut tut

You're still wrong on every level doesn't matter how abusive you get - you know very little about RL - have a chat with Adam he's about your level...s s

You're in no position to tell anyone how much they know about RL if you think Scott Grix is better than Zak Hardaker. Probably the only person who agrees with you is Scott Grix's mum.

I'm not Grix's Mam..


Scott Grix is worth more than the sum of his parts to Wakey, would Hardaker offer more ?.....I dunno, its a hypothetical question and only really deserves a pass the time of day discussion, at present, I wouldn't swap.
But there is something not right about Hardaker and its not easy to put a finger on, but he isn't the uninhibited natural with attitude that he was imo.
What I find more interesting is Hardaker 2015 vs Hardaker 2017, somewhere in there, he lost an edge ?.....but maybe he gained something else ?
Whatever, I don't think it was worth the trade off, he's playing ok in a team playing way above ok.
For a couple of years he was ripping it up in a way above ok Leeds team, yet hasn't pulled any trees up since, so... give us a clue.

he's playing a lot better then "ok" .

Well he was the Man of Steel for a team that won the treble in 2015, something Scott Grix never has done and never will do. Admittedly he was crap last year, but that was in a team that was pretty crap all round and he supposedly had some pretty bad personal issues to deal with which will have effected his game loads. Plus he was hardly the consumate professional before that anyway. Now he's got away from Leeds he looks to be back to his best, playing extremely well in a team that is playing some of the best rugby any team has played for years. He's always been regarded as one of the best full backs around defensively and the questions marks over his game were more to do with things in attack, yet this season he's leading the league in try assists so he looks to have improved there. I've just had a look at Betfred and he's currently the second favourite to be Man of Steel again this season, whilst they aren't even offering odds for it to be Scott Grix. Grix is a good player, one of our best so far this season, however Hardaker has been one of the best in the league full stop. I don't understand how it's even remotely controversial to argue that Hardaker is better, in fact, I'd say it's pretty dumb to try and argue otherwise (although it's to be expected from Vastman).

Except i'm the only one on here not hiding behind a pseudonym. It just makes me laugh - i remember first posting on here and seeing you for what you were straight away (old fashioned, out-of-date, "they-don't-make-'em-like-they-used-to" bully boy) and calling you out on it. I got a warning from the board back then but now it seems finally most people have woken up. Things is when you post without the hyperbole, exaggeration and over-defensive nonsense you make some decent contributions but it's hard to try and get involved seriously given the tone and nature of half your responses.

Yeah well, looks like you both have something in common then.

Years? How far back are we going here?

agree I think Tupou has been in outstanding form... Lynne was playing so well and Arundel looks assured and confident...

loving the choices...

and that players are covering injury and really playing for their places!

Grix was good when he played for us previously but he has matured well and seems a little more resilient this season (or maybe lucky!)

ps not really into the debate that this clubs player is better than that clubs player... a team is the sum of its constituent parts ... and then some (called synergy)

the synergy of the Cas team is currently outstanding... the synergy of Trinity is very very good....


would love to see both these teams achieve some success and silverware this year....

Even though I dd enter the debate about who's better than who, like I said in my first post, it's so hard to compare players from different teams, just down to the human part of it objectivity, plus how the team sets it's self up, the structures they play under and the jobs each player has been given. Which might not get the best out of then perosnally, but it's for the teams greater good.

Anyway, win or lose I just hope we have a real close local derby. Where both teams bring their A games and we see some of the games better players show exactly why they're that. Forwads smashing into each other and the halves and the backs, produce soome scintillating RL. Hopefully of couse we just pinch it.



PS, love the word Synergy and describes RL very well at times.

I prefer 2+2=5

I would say they're probably playing the best brand of attacking rugby since the last great Saints side of around 2006, which is a refreshing change to Michael Maguire/Shaun Wane style rugby and makes it slightly easier to stomach the fact that they're currently favourites to win the league (thankfully I don't think they will though).

If you want to have 5 year old spats do it by PM. It's pretty boring for the rest of us.

As for Hardaker he looks like he has added to his game to me.
Leeds played out from deep with the running wingers but Cas are different and Hardaker has changed his game accordingly. He has a bit of Dorn's game in him now which makes him more of a team player.
Dangerous to us and needs stopping if we are to have a chance of winning.

Grix isn't dangerous to them in the same way but he is important enough to our team to allow the team to be dangerous.
Each suits their team well.

I would agree they've played the most open brand of rugby in the past couple of years, but Hudds when they won LLS in 2013 and Warrington when they were spanking everyone left right and centre in 2011 were far more exciting - with some silverware to show for it.

One things for sure, one set of fans will be very disappointed by the end of the game - my heart says it will be Cas my head says it will be us.

If it weren't a derby game I'd have written this one off already - problem is it's a derby game for them as well.

Our squad is out....

Same as last week except Millington in for Shenton.

As we predicted it seems

It's always a silly and circular argument to try to pick players from one team who'd get in another; and even sillier to expect opposition fans to agree. And right now, if I were a Cas fan, I wouldn't want *any* player from another team to replace any of theirs, no matter how good - their team spirit, structures and attitude are the absolute best in SL, and that's not always about the quality of individuals - it's about the team and the group.

I maintain my earlier pessimism about this one - they're miles ahead of us, and I think they'll beat us; and there'll be no shame in that. I just hope we can put in a creditable performance and keep building on the improvements we've made in recent weeks - and that's not always contingent on a win.

I don't think they are miles ahead never have - still we'll know who's right soon enough



Totally agree about the team thing, player for player there is nothing all star special about Cas but as a unit that's they are bob on at the moment.

That said team spirit is a notoriously volatile product.

What's up with Shenton, did I read he broke down in the warm up before last weeks game or something ?

Its weird how often that gets reported