Should both be safe, but it's the RFL, they wouldn't get rid of any of the next group after Cas/Wakey/Salford (Bradford, KR, Crusaders & Quins) would they?

RFL can do what they want, but with a fully funded stadium completed in one phase I would be very confident we would get a licence

As far as I know nothing will change with regard to the rules. I have seen nothing to indicate otherwise anyway.

It may very well come down to "phasing", however I think it's more than likely that the clubs under threat can be separated without anymore "nit-picking" over stadia. That is only 1 of 5 criteria. And tbf Wake and Cas are ahead of Salford in most (if not all) other areas of assessment.

To stay on topic....
Really pleased with this! IMO a public inquiry was always going to be unlikely with our current government- they are far too costly + we (as a city, county and nation) are crying out for employment and growth, that's what this is in essence- a crown jewel in the renaissance for our district.

Bradford should be looking over their shoulder. The ground is a 5hithole,they offer nothing to the competition and the fan base is decreasing

Even the corners of the pitch are facing an up hill struggle

Bradford will be at risk in 2014 if things don't improve, I feel.

They should be at risk this time, and would be if the RFL actually bothered to use their own criteria.

But it's not really about that is it. I bet the majority of you couldn't care less about all those factors if you weren't at risk from explusion of Super League due to stadia.

If there was no stadium in the plans, would you be supportive? Doubtful. In fact, I'm sure you'd be saying the same line as others with: "there are plenty of other unused office spaces, warehousing and distribution that are rundown and unused that could be utilised instead."

The fact that the very fact the stadium hinges on all that stuff means you have to state the "employment and growth" line even though it is not assured by any stretch of imagination. In fact, the country is achieving growth now without all of that stuff.

I have had enough of arguing with Cas fans.

I (like many others on here) love my city, and want it and it's citizens to prosper once again, so yes I would care.
Civic pride Fully. You should try it some time.

That's it for me. No more responses to ungrateful citizens in the east.

How is it being ungrateful and more importantly, where have I said that I do not want those factors? The simple fact is, all those factors can be achieved elsewhere as mentioned.

I hate living in run-down places too but the only way to change that is by redeveloping those areas. For instance, using Castleford as an example, the plan is to redevelop the waterfront by the River Aire. I say fab to that as we will have regeneration both sides of the town with Glasshoughton obviously at the other.

However, is Newmarket near enough to Wakefield to make an impact? Obviously, you've got the new developments in the centre of Wakefield. Should we not be focusing on encouraging more growth to the city centre in itself? This is my point.

I, obviously, can see why you state the points in association with Newmarket and anybody would be silly not to as it is obviously one of the key factors with regards to the quality and positive nature of the development itself. However, I just question, honestly, whether you would be so full of enthusiasm for Newmarket if there wasn't any stadium there. I think like me, you'd be looking at the centre of Wakefield for development and redevelopment, surely?

And I apologise if I have upset you with my comments. It wasn't intend to cause any harm, more just an observation from my part.

He made a valid point that you don't agree with so you come out with rubbish like that?



Like I said a few pages back now, it's looking good for both teams and well done all parties involved



Oh, and go on I'll bite, how are Cas ungrateful then? and would you be bothered about a development at Newmarket involving warehouses if it wasn't for the stadium?

If both go full steam ahead, and Salford too, could Hull KR be at risk? There is another club in Hull, and they would probably have the worst ground, along with Bradford.

Not saying I want Rovers out. They provide a good atmosphere at their place and are one of the bigger away fanbases, and so they bring a lot to the sport, but so much emphasis is on a stadium and geographical proximity now.

Not on this scale theres not, look at unit 41, purpose built distribution units that coca cola and morrisons occupy, newmarket is situated like Unit 41, brilliant location for distribution and why its already created massive interest from business world. I'm supportive of the whole project Stadium and the units, throw in surf world aswell and it's looking like a very good project for the community.

You have to look at what each club brings to the competition as a whole, not just in themselves but to aiding sponsorship and TV rights.

Bradford have a prestigious history as do Hull KR and both, in one way or another, will benefit the game massively. I'm sorry but even in current circumstances both these club dwarf what Cas or Wakey could offer unless the new stadia suddenly turns them into a powerhouse.

I told you the thread would expand when the CLO's started posting their usual bile; several pages of argument will follow, very little of which wil be based on fact, insight or reality and none of which will offer anything new or interesting on the progress of OUR stadium.

I'm with you - it's just boring.

And if you used the criteria factoring in the new stadiums, both KR & Bradford have weaker applications and it should be viewed as such, history doesn't matter - if it did Cas, Wakey and Salford would be safe. If the stadiums are started Bradford & KR should be the 2 the RFL look to kick out.




If you read the thread, you'll see SWC started an argument with himself because he took offence to Fully bringing up a point, instead of explaining it, he had a hissy fit.

I'm not really clued up on all this so I will need someone to explain this. Whereabouts is it based roughly? Like I said in my other post, the overall package is good but I just question whether - as SWC said about civic pride - it will benefit the redevelopment and the city centre of Wakefield as much? It will obviously benefit Bottom Boat, Stanley and Outwood.

WAKEFIELD TRINITY a prestigous history and with the new stadium we can promote the brand that is Wakefield Trinity.

I'm sure they'll invent a new category to save them, because we will both really annoy the RFL by submitting stronger applications. Such as, winning a grand final at some distant time in the past (1 point), or not having a club within 1000 miles to the east (1 point).

Well I do and I live in Stanley... this is one of the main reasons I am trying to do my bit to support this scheme as well as for the good of RL. The team I support is not under threat of expulsion from Super League, our playing record has been quite good in recent years, we have good youth development, spend to the cap, make a profit and have plans to improve our now ageing ground.



This line about unused warehouse space is not really true either (don't believe the hype), some space has come free in the older units around J31 but mostly due to the economic climate but when you look at J41 M1 then all the warehouse space is full. Once again there are some older offices around the area empty but many of them are 25+ years old and need to be knocked down and replaced, as do many of the older empty units which are empty because they are not suitable for current logistical standards and operations. If you look at the York Court Paragon estate as well, although they have quite a bit of space left to develop new units, all the units that have been built are taken. Same goes for M1 J39, the Peel site, all the ones that are built are full.

We will have to disagree about growth mate, don't forget the Bank of England has just downgraded it's growth forecast for the next 12 months as they start to take account of the actual cuts being made by the current Coalition Government and Wakefield has failed in recent years to take it's share of any growth, falling short of the national average.

The WMDC planning policy team have not highlighted the Newmarket Site for B8 development for any other reason than it is a suitable piece of land to meet national and local targets for employment growth. This land was always going to get re-designated in my opinion, irrespective of any current or potential future applications for the area, Wakefield Community Stadium, Surf Word or bloody UK Disney World, because the site stacks up as being suitable in most ways for future development... plain and simple!

I'm with you on that. I would like to see Wakefield Trinity, with "The Wildcats" as a nickname, to preserve the marketing slant, the logo, and keep Daddy Cool for the kids.

Quote ="Gaslight"And if you used the criteria factoring in the new stadiums, both KR & Bradford have weaker applications and it should be viewed as such, history doesn't matter - if it did Cas, Wakey and Salford would be safe. If the stadiums are started Bradford & KR should be the 2 the RFL look to kick out. '" Err, Quote The licenses will be allocated to those clubs that the RFL board believes are the most suitable, taking into account the: a. Extent to which each club helps meet the SLE Strategy and the strategic aims and objectives of the Licensing process; b. Historical activity of the clubs under consideration; and c. RFL’s reasonable opinion as to future performance of the clubs under consideration'" www.therfl.co.uk/about/page.php?areaid=193 Bradford have been more successful than all three sides in the SL era and prior to it.

Quote ="Gaslight"And if you used the criteria factoring in the new stadiums, both KR & Bradford have weaker applications and it should be viewed as such, history doesn't matter - if it did Cas, Wakey and Salford would be safe. If the stadiums are started Bradford & KR should be the 2 the RFL look to kick out. '" Err, Quote The licenses will be allocated to those clubs that the RFL board believes are the most suitable, taking into account the: a. Extent to which each club helps meet the SLE Strategy and the strategic aims and objectives of the Licensing process; b. Historical activity of the clubs under consideration; and c. RFL’s reasonable opinion as to future performance of the clubs under consideration'" www.therfl.co.uk/about/page.php?areaid=193 Bradford have been more successful than all three sides in the SL era and prior to it.

"RFL's reasonable opinion as to the future performance"

The dark cloud has descended once more.

Outwood stanley Wrenthorpe is Wakefield more jobs new stadium, Wakefields more than the City centre + city centre is not next to the motorway. I don't get your arguement, looking at your previous posts you seem obsessed with our stadium, just be pleased for us. I hope you get yours and we will both be playing each other at our new grounds in 2012.

Quote ="Inflatable_Armadillo" We will have to disagree about growth mate, don't forget the Bank of England has just downgraded it's growth forecast for the next 12 months as they start to take account of the actual cuts being made by the current Coalition Government and Wakefield has failed in recent years to take it's share of any growth, falling short of the national average. '" Thanks for the in-depth and much better response than the abrasive and tetchy one from another poster. However, regards to the quoted bit above, haven't we just announced growth of 1.1% for the past quarter? www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-10737352 That to me, shows that the country is achieving growth and with continued investments by businesses in their current structures that can be achieved progressively and much quicker. I realise that this can also be done at Newmarket too but it can be achieved elsewhere too. That was my point. I go into Leeds often and notice the new office space all around Leeds train station that is unused. I think that is why I'm quick to note there is some areas available for stuff like that.

Quote ="Inflatable_Armadillo" We will have to disagree about growth mate, don't forget the Bank of England has just downgraded it's growth forecast for the next 12 months as they start to take account of the actual cuts being made by the current Coalition Government and Wakefield has failed in recent years to take it's share of any growth, falling short of the national average. '" Thanks for the in-depth and much better response than the abrasive and tetchy one from another poster. However, regards to the quoted bit above, haven't we just announced growth of 1.1% for the past quarter? www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-10737352 That to me, shows that the country is achieving growth and with continued investments by businesses in their current structures that can be achieved progressively and much quicker. I realise that this can also be done at Newmarket too but it can be achieved elsewhere too. That was my point. I go into Leeds often and notice the new office space all around Leeds train station that is unused. I think that is why I'm quick to note there is some areas available for stuff like that.

Far from it. I am keen for both clubs to be in new stadia at their respective chosen locations and some people, despite me continuously saying otherwise, seem to think I'm determined for yours to fail or that I am in some way trying to cause trouble. I'm not.

As for not getting my argument, it is probably my delivery rather than what I'm trying to say.