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That's an old picture. Harlequins, Celtic and Bulls are on there too.
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That's an old picture. Harlequins, Celtic and Bulls are on there too.
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| Underwhelmed is my initial thought with what I have read so far.
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| Quote ="PopTart"You get all that from a vague cliche summary?'"
Not a lot to get if you open your eyes. I suspect Wakey will not be in the chosen few A catagory. Lets think about this. It would not be beyond reason that Tolouse and Warrington were Cat A and we get cat B. So under these new recomendations look what would have happened to us this season.
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That screen is from the last round of franchising, with London on there and Wakefield still known t the Wildcats ?
The "new" structure is no longer about sport and is now about money, money and money.
Can you imagine if the Premier League adopted the same system ?
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That screen is from the last round of franchising, with London on there and Wakefield still known t the Wildcats ?
The "new" structure is no longer about sport and is now about money, money and money.
Can you imagine if the Premier League adopted the same system ?
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"That screen is from the last round of franchising, with London on there and Wakefield still known t the Wildcats ?
The "new" structure is no longer about sport and is now about money, money and money.
Can you imagine if the Premier League adopted the same system ?'"
They tried with the new European league, fans got them to U Turn
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| I’m quite optimistic about this.
I think it will be a very positive move for Trinity in providing an opportunity to secure some stability and certainty.
The issue under the old system was facilities.
We have or are addressing that now.
We have elite Academy Status.
We are not as a club losing money hand over fist.
We have survived in SL as a viable entity for 20 odd uninterrupted years.
Attendances could be an issue however but I think on the face of it and not knowing the criteria we now look a decent prospect.
I’m not saying that we will be a Cat A club, but I expect there is a good case for us being a solid Cat B club.
I’d say Cas for example have much more to worry about.
We also need to now on top of the criteria what the league looks like. I cannot see it reducing under the new system but I could see it growing by 2 depending on the situation with the next broadcasting deal.
Looking on social media today everyone is as usual having s meltdown about it.
Just under 19000 responses to the survey.
I do wonder how many of the people kicking off about the proposals were part of the 19000 that participated by completing and returning it.
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| At least it's a vision!
The franchising era was probably the peak of super league in terms of viewing figures and grand final attendances.
If what is said is right, the big clubs remain big. Those not-so-big clubs have a chance to join them if they can satisfy the criteria. If not, it's yo-yo with the other not-so-big clubs.
The issue is really how do you get to be a Category A and can you ever lose it? You have to work on the assumption that this is a permanent thing, so clubs need to have something to aim for in terms of investment and facilities. Also, clubs shouldn't assume protection forever. It would be nonsense if, for example, a Category A club crumbled financially in 2033 (Bulls anyone?) and didn't run academies or whatever but retained Category A because of how they were doing in 2023.
And, of course, the thorny issue of what happens if a big club finishes bottom. Does a Category B team go down or is one prevented from coming up?
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| Quote ="djcool"They tried with the new European league, fans got them to U Turn'"
Tbh I can’t see any similarities between the two, sorry.
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| They ought to make 1 of the criteria to own your own ground.
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| Quote ="vastman"Tbh I can’t see any similarities between the two, sorry.'"
I might be wrong, not a fan of the round ball game but wasn't some clubs protected from relaxation and some were not ?
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| Quote ="poplar cats alive"They ought to make 1 of the criteria to own your own ground.'"
Or pay your rent, if its true about Salford
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I’m beginning to think IMG are not the all singing all dancing saviour we’ve been led to believe.
Below is a link to everything we need to know about the new proposal, I see there’s quite a lot of decisions not been finalised and so many ambiguities it appears decisions are being made on the hoof.
e.leeds-live.co.uk/_act/link.php ... Id=7440015
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I’m beginning to think IMG are not the all singing all dancing saviour we’ve been led to believe.
Below is a link to everything we need to know about the new proposal, I see there’s quite a lot of decisions not been finalised and so many ambiguities it appears decisions are being made on the hoof.
e.leeds-live.co.uk/_act/link.php ... Id=7440015
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| Quote ="PopTart"That's an old picture. Harlequins, Celtic and Bulls are on there too.'"
Which beggers the question, why is it up there?
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| Quote ="chissitt"Which beggers the question, why is it up there?'"
That's Yorkshire Live not IMG.
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| Anyone know who’s the other 3 clubs are.
This could really impact our chances of a Cat A
From Gledhill page
Further to this tweet IMG said four Super League clubs currently don't spend the full salary cap which is why they will introduce a salary cap floor to ensure all clubs invest in themselves and the sport to give Rugby League and the top tier, the best chance of positive growth.
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| Quote ="jonh"I’m quite optimistic about this.
I think it will be a very positive move for Trinity in providing an opportunity to secure some stability and certainty.
The issue under the old system was facilities.
We have or are addressing that now.
We have elite Academy Status.
We are not as a club losing money hand over fist.
We have survived in SL as a viable entity for 20 odd uninterrupted years.
Attendances could be an issue however but I think on the face of it and not knowing the criteria we now look a decent prospect.
I’m not saying that we will be a Cat A club, but I expect there is a good case for us being a solid Cat B club.
I’d say Cas for example have much more to worry about.
We also need to now on top of the criteria what the league looks like. I cannot see it reducing under the new system but I could see it growing by 2 depending on the situation with the next broadcasting deal.
Looking on social media today everyone is as usual having s meltdown about it.
Just under 19000 responses to the survey.
I do wonder how many of the people kicking off about the proposals were part of the 19000 that participated by completing and returning it.'"
I completed the survey
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| Quote ="chissitt"Which beggers the question, why is it up there?'"
Because the article is about a return to licensing and this was the last time licensing was used and those were the clubs that were fighting it out for a place at the SL table.
We got very lucky that time around.
Let’s hope (and I don’t think it will) that it comes down to luck this time around.
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| Below is a paragraph from BBC sports page. Are we going to see some clubs fast tracked again at the expense of established clubs, and will Geographical areas come back into play, eg Leeds, Trinity, Tigers and Giants within a fairly small area. I feel a sense of Deja Vu
IMG have targeted London as a high priority for expansion. They say a club in the capital is vital. But that has been tried so often before without anyone ever able to ensure sustained success.
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| One thing that concerns me.
How if we assume cat B clubs in the top league will be about 6-8 clubs would those clubs be able to offer contracts to players longer than 12 months…. When one or even more could be at risk of being dropped from the league regardless of where they finish?
Players will naturally want to migrate to Cat A clubs as they 100% know that their contract is secure.
How can the category B clubs plan long term when their potentially on the chopping block every season regardless of finishing positions.
Scenario… wakey sign Murphy/Hall/Whitbread on 3/4 year deals.wakey finish 8th next season. Wakefield get graded category B and get placed in the second league.
How do the players contracts get handled? Do they simply get terminated? That’s a bit of a stormy situation.
There must be some serious detail and consideration behind these proposals surely. It puts pressure on clubs to improve which I have no issue with but at the same time it won’t be a level playing field when chasing players and signatures even more so than now.
Maybe I’m overthinking it.
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| Quote ="Trojan Horse"One thing that concerns me.
How if we assume cat B clubs in the top league will be about 6-8 clubs would those clubs be able to offer contracts to players longer than 12 months…. When one or even more could be at risk of being dropped from the league regardless of where they finish?
Players will naturally want to migrate to Cat A clubs as they 100% know that their contract is secure.
How can the category B clubs plan long term when their potentially on the chopping block every season regardless of finishing positions.
Scenario… wakey sign Murphy/Hall/Whitbread on 3/4 year deals.wakey finish 8th next season. Wakefield get graded category B and get placed in the second league.
How do the players contracts get handled? Do they simply get terminated? That’s a bit of a stormy situation.
There must be some serious detail and consideration behind these proposals surely. It puts pressure on clubs to improve which I have no issue with but at the same time it won’t be a level playing field when chasing players and signatures even more so than now.
Maybe I’m overthinking it.'"
Isn’t that the same every year? Players will want to go to the top clubs….if they don’t get that opportunity they sign for the lesser clubs and face the prospect of relegation and void contracts.
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| Not a surprise to see London hyped as very important, (again) - so best of luck with that one!
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| Quote ="jonh"Isn’t that the same every year? Players will want to go to the top clubs….if they don’t get that opportunity they sign for the lesser clubs and face the prospect of relegation and void contracts.'"
I suppose it is to a degree. Presently the only rosk is in performance and finishing bottom. That can happen now for more than one club no matter where they finish. Would be strange to see a team finish 7th and get relegated for example lol.
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| Quote ="Spookisback"That’s it????
Seriously???
That’s it?!?
If that were done for a business I had responsibility for… at club or competition level… I’d be bouncing off the wall and bouncing the consultants out of town!!!
That’s seriously poor!!!'"
AT LAST !!! someone has come along and seen what this is all about. I have previously described this report as a first year under graduate project and a bad one at that. I am with you, if I had paid for this or even got this for free and someone had put this pathetic rubbish on my desk I would have booted them out of the building. This report is so bad and and so amateurish , I am amazed at the amount of people that are even discussing its merits, it has no credibibily whatsoever. The sheer fact that our so called sport is giving these IMG clowns any type of credence shows the level RL has sunk.
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| Quote ="djcool"Well if Grade A clubs are at the bottom, it will be the next grade b club that's relegated?'"
Just imagine if there were 3 "A" rated clubs in the bottom 3 and you were relegated from 9th ?
It's a strange system that puts on field performance so low down the priority list.
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"Just imagine if there were 3 "A" rated clubs in the bottom 3 and you were relegated from 9th ?
It's a strange system that puts on field performance so low down the priority list.'"
I may be wrong but after a season all the the grade B rated club would be accessed against all the B rating clubs in Division One. They will then replace any from SL that are found to have a lower rating with those in Division One. This could be any number of B classed clubs but similarly if they don’t trace any then no team is relegated. The survival therefore depends entirely of staying ahead of at least one grade B club in SL or all the rest in the lower divisions.
The problem is that for grade B clubs they have to go through this review at the end of each season.
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