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| Quote ="t-r-i-n-i-t-y"I don't think we need one. Back the badge that was created by the last lot that ran us dry?'"
I don't think it was. Back the badge is the new regimes isn't it?
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| Quote ="Wildthing"I don't think it was. Back the badge is the new regimes isn't it?'"
Sorry, I should have been clearer. The "badge" we are "backing" was created by the last regime.
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| Quote ="1873"Michael Carter @WTWChairman
Morning everyone. We've now sold 1963 season tickets. Would just like to thank each and every one of you for your purchase #backthebadge'"
Still not updated on website Michael
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| 1975 sold, about 1000 - 1200 down on last year apparently (and I thought we sold 4K another crock of xxxx from the previous regime?).
Just goes to show that even with a relatively decent team garnered together the Wakefield public still won’t part with their money to support it.
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| Quote ="Khlav Kalash"1975 sold, about 1000 - 1200 down on last year apparently (and I thought we sold 4K another crock of xxxx from the previous regime?).
Just goes to show that even with a relatively decent team garnered together the Wakefield public still won’t part with their money to support it.'"
I think the problem is that now early bird discounts have passed there is not a huge interest in taking up season tickets as the saving on paying on the day is no longer that great. With the way fixtures get chopped and changed I suppose people who already expect to miss the odd game or two will now find it as cheap or cheaper to just pay on the day. Hopefully they will still come and do that as opposed to not coming at all.
The ideas suggested earlier in this thread for Family Day Passes, or say 3 games for ÂŁ50 or 5 games for ÂŁ80 are good ideas but I suspect difficult to manage from a capacity point of view. I suppose it is doable but you would need to issue tickets as vouchers that need to be exchanged in advance otherwise you run the risk of everyone using them for the same games (eg Leeds/Cas) and then you don't know how many tickets you can sell on the gate.
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| Quote ="Fordy"I think the problem is that now early bird discounts have passed there is not a huge interest in taking up season tickets as the saving on paying on the day is no longer that great
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I guess that's the risk the people who were holding out chose to take.
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| However disappointing or frustrating that total may be, this goes some way to putting into perspective the financial climate we currently live in:
[urlhttp://www1.skysports.com/rugby-league/news/12207/9108869/super-league-marwan-koukash-disappointed-by-response-from-red-devils-fans[/url
Not bad, all things considered.
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| Quote ="gowerthegroap"However disappointing or frustrating that total may be, this goes some way to putting into perspective the financial climate we currently live in:
[urlhttp://www1.skysports.com/rugby-league/news/12207/9108869/super-league-marwan-koukash-disappointed-by-response-from-red-devils-fans[/url
Not bad, all things considered.'"
If Salford really have sold less than 2k that really is poor. I suppose they're fortunate their team investment isn't so directly link to supporter numbers as Trinity's is.
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| Koukash said on twitter earlier this week that they had sold around 2500 season tickets so if correct they have shifted more than we have. From where they were a little over 12 months ago I don't think thats too bad, it will take them time to grow again.
Even given the price rises and turbulent off season to have sold under 2k is disappointing, i'd have thought it would have been more than that by now. 12 months ago we were told it was double that, unless that was wrong. Going by the attendances though it can't have been far off. Hoping for the majority to pay on the day is always a risk and a poor start or some poor weather could hit attendances hard. For me the preferred option would be cash up front every time.
Out of interest what attendances have we budgeted for financially?
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| Quote ="Wakey Til I Die"Koukash said on twitter earlier this week that they had sold around 2500 season tickets so if correct they have shifted more than we have. From where they were a little over 12 months ago I don't think thats too bad, it will take them time to grow again.
Even given the price rises and turbulent off season to have sold under 2k is disappointing, i'd have thought it would have been more than that by now. 12 months ago we were told it was double that, unless that was wrong. Going by the attendances though it can't have been far off. Hoping for the majority to pay on the day is always a risk and a poor start or some poor weather could hit attendances hard. For me the preferred option would be cash up front every time.
Out of interest what attendances have we budgeted for financially?'"
Absolutely, but equally we can't afford to keep "giving away" season tickets and so price rises had to come.
That is why the suggestions of partial season tickets etc should be given serious consideration but as highlighted before that does bring certain complications in terms of capacity (although it is only likely to be an issue for a very small number of games as only Leeds, Cas and maybe Wigan have generated crowds anything near to capacity recently)
So maybe a voucher system that says that for Category A games they need to be exchanged in advance so we can assess capacity. As I said before I think offering 3 games for ÂŁ50 or 5 games for ÂŁ80 might be a way to go. That is still more per game than the current season ticket price but still offers savings to people who wish to buy in advance.
How easy this is to do and administer I don't know but it does seem more likely to get people paying in advance than the full season ticket option now.
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| I agree entirely that the prices had to rise but i think the amount of forgeries and free tickets that were given out also were a massive problem. And once some had had something for free or dirt cheap they aren't going to want to start paying full price in a rush i suppose, especially given all the bad publicity we've had since the end of the season. Partial season tickets might help but you are right in saying it could be an administritive nightmare. I just worry that attendances will now drop to unsustainable levels if we have a bad start to the season. The first home game being on a cold thursday night on sky won't help either but on the flip side whilst the ground may only be half full many will see the game. We REALLY need a performance in that one i reckon.
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| Quote ="gowerthegroap"However disappointing or frustrating that total may be, this goes some way to putting into perspective the financial climate we currently live in:
[urlhttp://www1.skysports.com/rugby-league/news/12207/9108869/super-league-marwan-koukash-disappointed-by-response-from-red-devils-fans[/url
Not bad, all things considered.'"
The main point that Dr Kochrash can't grasp is that the ground is no longer in Salford where the core support remains
It will be rebranded as Manchester sooner rather than later
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| If someone said I could have the works - season ticket, club 1873, shirt - for an ongoing DD with the bank for ÂŁ30.00 - and that's me sorted, then I'd have it.
That's a platinum membership that would probably just keep getting taken from my bank for ever and a day....
I'd even start paying before the end of the season so as to remove some of the risk to the club!
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| Quote ="TRB"If someone said I could have the works - season ticket, club 1873, shirt - for an ongoing DD with the bank for ÂŁ30.00 - and that's me sorted, then I'd have it.
That's a platinum membership that would probably just keep getting taken from my bank for ever and a day....
I'd even start paying before the end of the season so as to remove some of the risk to the club!'"
I tried that one TRB. Signed up to pay by DD for a Platinum only to be told "we are having a problem with our direct debits. Give us your card number and we'll take it off that each month"
I ended up buying a Gold membership and club was ÂŁ100+ down and were happy for me to do so.
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| It would be interesting to know just how many tickets on match day last season were given away. Also was the gates on the day accurate. Looking at next seasons fixtures i will only be attending 4 home games and london away, and will be happy to pay my 22quid on the gate. I dont see the club looking at ways to reduce that, and dont blame them. However thats me, a family ticket could be a move in the right direction. A family of 3 or 4 should be offered some kind of reduction kids for a quid providing you buy lets say 5 match day tickets.
Any thing to get people in the ground should be looked at by the club, to say its not possible or difficult to administer isnt good enough
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| The only way to guarantee good crowds is to win games (unless your Shuddersfield).
Having just read the latest History of Trinity book it's clear that it has always been the same for Wakefield right from the very start. Only a succesful team or the visit of bigger clubs draws in the local public.
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| AFAIK WTW included the total number of ST holders in the attendance figures last season which is great if you are trying to impress but not so good when the tax bill comes. Not the only club either doing this by all accounts.
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| Quote ="Tigerade"AFAIK WTW included the total number of ST holders in the attendance figures last season which is great if you are trying to impress but not so good when the tax bill comes. Not the only club either doing this by all accounts.'"
So, I don't know where you think you're going with this but it's a dead end.
These people have paid for their ticket in advance and have paid tax at source. They are still part of the paying attendance figure even if they didn't actually turn up - this is what the tax man is interested in so no issue.
There is an actual attendance on the day figure which is all the people who went through the turnstile cash/ticket/ST/staff/players. This is more health and safety than tax though if the figures don't roughly tally up it may suggest fraud. More of interest to the police I'd have thought.
The club are not legally obliged to post an official attendance but if they do they can chose either as far as I'm aware - this is unless the RFL have tightened up.
As noted on another thread it's mainly the fans who are dodgy rather than the clubs these days.
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| You are of course quite right Vasty with the above. The attendance figures (actual) are the only ones that fans are interested in. IMO they are the true figures that should be published throughout the media.
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| Season ticket sales have just hit 2000
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| 2000 thats great news. I have just had a look on the London Bs site and they offer a monthly payment plan for all packages all year round and it reduces in the off season.
That could be something to look at
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| Quote ="lampyboy"2000 thats great news. I have just had a look on the London Bs site and they offer a monthly payment plan for all packages all year round and it reduces in the off season.
That could be something to look at'"
I think this is probably the way its going to go. ÂŁ15 - ÂŁ17 a month gold membership gets you into all the games. ÂŁ30 for a platinum membership. Negatives; no large amount of revenue generated in the off season, positives; year round income helping forecasts and budgets. Also means when a lean period goes by between home fixtures the club still receive a base income.
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| 2000 is good news
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| Klhav Kalash Im sure its the way to go, income all year round. The rates are indicated even down to meals in the bar then during the closed season the rates (payment ) drops. You instantly know how much its going to cost you, It could be worth looking at implementing at the end of next season.
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