Same old Wigan though, can’t see Smithies playing for a couple of weeks.

can't stand the player as well is that other idiot partington

Good contest this. Some good tries.

Smithies should be sat in the stands for a while on that headbutt alone.

Farrell playing like 2012 Kirmond.

That's the point that I've been trying to make to PT, moggy, but you have put it far more eloquently than I could .

Well we went up a place last night.

Up the Trin

Won't last long

A defeat by 4 or less?

Would be happy with that, but can't see it happening unfortunately.

Put a 4 in front of the 4

Wakey by 1. Gigot DG to seal it. Been to mass, said a prayer and asked for holy intervention this morning. It’s in the bag.

If we put in the same effort as HKR have against saints they’ll do for me

Surely Croft should be in the centres and Gigot on the wing.

Both out of their natural position...

I’d say centre a more important spot than wing in the make up of that right edge so do you go for the fella with around 200 senior appearances or the one with 2?

I thought Croft was a centre?

Is he not naturally a left centre though?

I can remember the one occasion Tom Johnstone played on the right wing...looked like he’d never played the game before!

We are losing but we are giving it a go. The performance was always more important than the score, so let’s hope we can keep it up in the second half. I hope Chester sorts out extra support for Gigot and Croft.
Why have we not played Green and Batchelor before because Westerman is obviously not fit, which I suppose begs the question why not.

I'd agree they've give it a go and westerman was blowing out of his backside before the 15 minute mark. I'm not a conditioner basher and for me these players need to put self pride into what shape their in. I dont think weve been dominated like Catalan us dominated us but they look slick and we seem to get players in the way

Westerman to be fair definitely looked like his attitude was right there was no shortage of endeavour, just that that endeavour was reduced due to being (what looked like) out of condition. How the f is that the case?

They're all out of shape, lazy coaching who'd rather be mates than work them hard. That's a big part of why we're picking up so many injuries too, the players are too soft and slow so aren't committing themselves in attack or defence which means they're landing harder and more awkwardly. Effort is the bare minimum we ask for from under 8s, it's no where near enough for well paid professional sportsmen

top draw

Wonder if Joe has been a big fan of the eat out for less campaign?

It’s a real shame he’s struggling because we look a much better side when he’s on the field and up for it. Shown some very good signs in patches that he could be a real asset. Hope he can sort himself out cos he’s still a lot to give...

Every team seems to have a few players who look way out of shape.

Every team has a few yeah, but we've only got a few that look anything like in shape

We've