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| Quote ="bentleberry"That's the thing, what we actually need it a full stadium with ample parking and 4G/hockey pitches surrounding it. Wakefield needs to establish a football team and a rugby union team as well as a successful rugby league club. We need all of the major sports in the city so young and old can engage and participate all sports'"
A stadium next to our City's successful athletes and gym club at thornes park same set up as Leigh sports village. Anyone mentioned thornes park before?
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| Quote ="M62 J30 TRINITY"A stadium next to our City's successful athletes and gym club at thornes park same set up as Leigh sports village. Anyone mentioned thornes park before?'"
That would be the ideal place for a stadium and pitches, unfortunately that plan was ditched over a decade ago, and now we're left with a half-assed stadium miles from the city which probably isn't going to happen anyway
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| Someone mentioned Rugby Union team in the city. How about getting our heads together with Sandal.
As for hockey, wasnt the hockey team based around College Grove, though dont spend much time around there and dont think there is a lot of land round there.
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| Quote ="Eastern Wildcat"Someone mentioned Rugby Union team in the city. How about getting our heads together with Sandal.
As for hockey, wasnt the hockey team based around College Grove, though dont spend much time around there and dont think there is a lot of land round there.'"
College grove where Wakefield RUFC played, not much room but bet it's worth a few quid
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| Yes I thought that M62.
The land moving away from College Grove heading up North Avenue toward Pinderfields is quite vast.
There is also quite a bit of room around Sandal RUFC
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| Quote ="Eastern Wildcat"Someone mentioned Rugby Union team in the city. How about getting our heads together with Sandal.
As for hockey, wasnt the hockey team based around College Grove, though dont spend much time around there and dont think there is a lot of land round there.'"
Indeed, what we really need is a true multi-use and multi-sports facility from a community stadium, in all honesty, I don't think that's what Newmarket was offering. At the minute we have the support of ≈ 4000 RL fans, but if a new football club could be established in the city, as well as developing the RU clubs to make them push towards the top leagues then we'd see the support for a true stadium for the city increase ten fold. The city deserves sporting facilities and clubs of a quality to match the amazing arts facilities it has
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| There is the two Ossett based football teams that could possibly be brought into this equation.
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| Exactly, divided then none of the sports will ever fully suceed in the city, but together they stand a chance of success. Sadly I think we're probably the worst off even though we're the only one at the top. I'd guess all of the other sports clubs in the area either own or are in stable rent of their grounds.
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| Quote ="lampyboy"The whole truth and nothing but the truth. I doubt it will ever be made public with warts and all and if it was it would probably be contested by one side of the participants.
I used to feel anger about the situation years ago , I couldn't care less now.
The council have no intention of assisting Trinity with any aspect of a new stadium and even if a stadium could be built in Wakefield I doubt the land would be made available.
I note with interest that the Leeds council have revoked an offer to Y C C and Leeds rugby for assistance with a stadium and redevelopment plan .
From Wakefield point of view the endless months of can't comment , negotiation at a vital stage and should be able to let you know soon killed it for me.
I'm convinced the moments gone and to look to who can shoulder the blame would be a pointless and frustrating .'"
Well said.That sums it up for me as well
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| Some will never believe us, but every time we said we hoped to give news, we meant it, and I'm sorry that we haven't been able to divulge more. It's easy to pour scorn on the efforts of those who have fought and still do fight for the best we can achieve out of this. Just bear in mind the efforts made when making comments on here - we read them frequently and we are often damned if we do and damned if we don't make comment.
Some may argue that it should have all been done differently, and perhaps, in hindsight, we would do plenty differently ourselves, but we have done nothing other than try something that others just talk about and, for those that are interested - yes, we have invited others to join, but few are prepared to commit / can afford the time it takes.
The whole thing could get very interesting over the next few weeks - one way or another!
Whatever happens - I can honestly say I've tried my best for this City with no personal reward either sought or gained.
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| Quote ="TRB"Some will never believe us, but every time we said we hoped to give news, we meant it, and I'm sorry that we haven't been able to divulge more. It's easy to pour scorn on the efforts of those who have fought and still do fight for the best we can achieve out of this. Just bear in mind the efforts made when making comments on here - we read them frequently and we are often damned if we do and damned if we don't make comment.
Some may argue that it should have all been done differently, and perhaps, in hindsight, we would do plenty differently ourselves, but we have done nothing other than try something that others just talk about and, for those that are interested - yes, we have invited others to join, but few are prepared to commit / can afford the time it takes.
The whole thing could get very interesting over the next few weeks - one way or another!
Whatever happens - I can honestly say I've tried my best for this City with no personal reward either sought or gained.'"
Phil, you have absolutely no need to justify yourself or your efforts. Those who pour scorn have no idea of the magnitude of effort and work you have provided. You stepped up and tried your damnedest.
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| Quote ="TRB"Some will never believe us, but every time we said we hoped to give news, we meant it, and I'm sorry that we haven't been able to divulge more. It's easy to pour scorn on the efforts of those who have fought and still do fight for the best we can achieve out of this. Just bear in mind the efforts made when making comments on here - we read them frequently and we are often damned if we do and damned if we don't make comment.
Some may argue that it should have all been done differently, and perhaps, in hindsight, we would do plenty differently ourselves, but we have done nothing other than try something that others just talk about and, for those that are interested - yes, we have invited others to join, but few are prepared to commit / can afford the time it takes.
The whole thing could get very interesting over the next few weeks - one way or another!
Whatever happens - I can honestly say I've tried my best for this City with no personal reward either sought or gained.'"
Don't worry about it TRB - those pouring scorn are pretty inadequate tbh. Like you say, even if it comes to nothing - at least you had a crack while they did nothing but snipe on the internet. Must be coming on 15 years you've been going at it as well. I think most fans appreciate the efforts you and the others have put in
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| I take my hat off to you Phil and all concerned who have tried and tried to get the new stadium sorted.
The second to last paragraph is very interesting about the issue could become interesting over the next couple of weeks.
I am a glass half full person so lets hope and fingers crossed. More so with a few positive comments made on here by M62 J30 recently regarding the stadium.
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| I have no clue what goes on behind the scenes regarding this, nor have I have offered to assist in my own free time.
Hence I would never pour scorn on those that have (and still are).
I appreciate it's frustrating not knowing what is going on but I'm sure those frustrations should not be levelled at those
doing everything that they can to try and resolve this long standing issue.
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| Thanks guys. Had an 'off' moment.
Business as usual!
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| Phil ... I will be happy to buy you a pint, when I visit the UK in June, your unstinting effort deserves that at least...
And, you never know... things might have got interesting by then!
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| Quote ="TRB"Thanks guys. Had an 'off' moment.
Business as usual!
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Onwards and upwards Phil
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| Just like to add my appreciation for the efforts of TRB and others.Often feel guilty for not doing more,but work commitments and then living in France for nearly 10 years dictated otherwise.Keep at it TRB and colleagues.
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| Quote ="Daddycool"Those who pour scorn have no idea of the magnitude of effort and work you have provided. You stepped up and tried your damnedest.'"
I don't see anyone pouring scorn - the vitriol seems, quite rightly, to be directed at YCP and WMDC.
My only (unanswered) question is how the (then) Trust fell for the obvious strategy cooked up by both parties to get Newcold on a separate application, which was subsequently waved through by WMDC; that's the point at which the whole plan fell apart from our perspective.
I can understand the dullard Elston not spotting it - but wasn't Rodney Walker in that meeting? Surely he's a shrewd enough operator to have seen straight through it - and yet there was no objection?
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| I don't think I can recall any pouring scorn or showing any type of disregard to any of the members involved in the negotiations.
The whole aspect of any campaign must be to release certain information on a fairly regular basis and unfortunately that for what ever reason simply has not been the case.
That leads to frustration and eventually people loosing interest.
The time allocated by all the Trinity participants should be applauded and hopefully will be rewarded with a favourable outcome.
Good luck.
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| Quote ="Daddycool"Phil, you have absolutely no need to justify yourself or your efforts. Those who pour scorn have no idea of the magnitude of effort and work you have provided. You stepped up and tried your damnedest.'"
For most it's pure frustration only a few are being genuinely vindictive.
I don't think it needs to become a them and us not that I'm suggesting that's what you are doing
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| Quote ="TRB"Some will never believe us, but every time we said we hoped to give news, we meant it, and I'm sorry that we haven't been able to divulge more. It's easy to pour scorn on the efforts of those who have fought and still do fight for the best we can achieve out of this. Just bear in mind the efforts made when making comments on here - we read them frequently and we are often damned if we do and damned if we don't make comment.
Some may argue that it should have all been done differently, and perhaps, in hindsight, we would do plenty differently ourselves, but we have done nothing other than try something that others just talk about and, for those that are interested - yes, we have invited others to join, but few are prepared to commit / can afford the time it takes.
The whole thing could get very interesting over the next few weeks - one way or another!
Whatever happens - I can honestly say I've tried my best for this City with no personal reward either sought or gained.'"
I back all you say. I know it's hard but try not to confuse genuine concerns with plain moaning if you can.
Might add that IMHO the club and the fans probably owe you money probably a considerable amount - what you've spent on paper alone could fuel a small town.
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| There may not be vitriol as such, just "oh yeah no news", yawn emojis, "yeah of course you can't tell us, that sort of smug attitude.I've had one or two pops aimed at me from people who should know better but I chose not to bite. As I've said before, ten years since I went to what would eventually become a SWAG meeting, maybe ten people, yes TEN people in attendance, out of that four got involved with SWAG, a fifth joined a few weeks later. It's a pity the keyboard warriors snidely having a pop at TRB weren't brave enough to step forward then.
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| Quote ="bren2k"I don't see anyone pouring scorn - the vitriol seems, quite rightly, to be directed at YCP and WMDC.
My only (unanswered) question is how the (then) Trust fell for the obvious strategy cooked up by both parties to get Newcold on a separate application, which was subsequently waved through by WMDC; that's the point at which the whole plan fell apart from our perspective.
I can understand the dullard Elston not spotting it - but wasn't Rodney Walker in that meeting? Surely he's a shrewd enough operator to have seen straight through it - and yet there was no objection?'"
From the correspondance published regarding the letter of Joanne Roaney it specifically states the CHAIRMAN OF THE TRUST was present and agreed to this damaging planning condition. The chairman at that time was Sir Rodney Walker !!!!!!!!!
Phil and the rest were lead up the garden path and it was agreed without their knowledge and they were not consulted. I am sure if Phil had known he would not have agreed.
Looks like poor old Phil has not only had to fight the council and developer but has also had to overcome problems within the trust itself.
Nevertheless, its now history as they say. But I would still like to know why such a massive favour was granted to the developer and nothing was gained in return.
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| Just had my usual daily visit to the nutjob forum and although it can be highly controversial , facts can often be found amongst the 'other stuff'
They have a different take on the ground situation and are suggesting we have not realised where the real problem is.
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