What are you doing then if not criticising him as your top post seems to conflict with the bottom one, if as you say you are not really interested where he plays then why not keep your comments to yourself instead of laying the blame unfairly at his feet despite having the situation explained to you, oh and before you say it is all about opinions and I've just had mine



If you do not know what you would do if you were in his position then why make hurtful comments about him.
If you are far older then presumably you are far wiser, if that's the case then you would realise that young Hamsh is under contract and unlike you is unable to move about freely from job to job irrespective of finances

Fair enough but the point stands - incidentally I'm not judging just offering an alternative - I doubt their are many parents out there who don't give their sons the best advise they can - never been in the situation myself.

Let's face it, the club has a such a high turnover in playing staff in the past few years (or you could argue since we came into SL) that a player or a parent club may prefer a much more stable environment in which to flourish.

Until we get our house in order and become a more stable proposition (which is where continuity of coaching staff/owners/senior players are important) then we are always going to be a last chance saloon for a lot of players.

So personal feeling aside, I can understand why we aren't top of the list for certain people. Although I don't particularly like Cas, I can admire the style of play, structure and attitude under Powell that a player like Hampshire will likely thrive in. Although Brian Smith is likely to improve our culture - the jury is still well and truly out on us as a club. They may not want to send him out to a club that was constantly hammered by most top clubs in the season just gone.

which player was that as upto twelve months ago I was Yorkshire scout for wigan along with my friend tom and it's slipped my mind

Here's a couple of telling statistics for you:
From their U15 intake last year Wigan took the least amount from their own area with only 22% (take note Phill Clarke)

Leeds were marginally better on 28%
Huddersfield were at 50%
Widnes and Warrington above them on 68% each
St Helens at 72%
Hull on top with 100%

When going into the 16s,Wigan submitted a form along with Leeds to the RFL to take Jordan,someone from Wigan actually rung us up while on holiday in Lanzarote.So approx 3 yrs ago.

Didn't they want Max Jowitt too?

I don't actually have a problem with clubs looking further afield. How is it fair to tell someone they can only play for a specific club? You couldn't do it in any other business. It's up to Wakefield to make themselves more appealing to local players and at the same time be prepared to look beyond our own boundaries too.

I think Salford were interested but I'd have to ask his dad to confirm it.They approached him after the MOM performance for England at BV.

Like it's been said,I can't blame young lads having their heads turned by bigger clubs and if they choose them,then I wish all them the best,but what I'd like to get across is that I believe Wakefield are a better club with the youngsters than we get credit for.

I'd agree with that. I do think there is a good youth setup at Wakefield, but unfortunately the perception of the club has not always matched that. And the perception to outsiders is just as important.

Come on mopsey old lad folk are saying on here that wakefield have a good youth system, how could they have a better youth system than was there when they won the 18s trouble was the club didn't know what to do with them ,

No ones saying that Wakefield have a better youth system than when they won the U18s though are they?

In the opinion of some supporters they believe Wakefields youth system is good but you're the only one to bring the GF winning U18s up

I was probably only one that was there, watched 19s since then you no what apart from a couple differant class

You miss my point, no ones comparing now with then anymore than they compared then with the Brough, Ellis team or the Brough team with Trevor Baileys all conquering side who were without doubt the best I've seen of any youth team at any club and yes, I've been watching Trinity Youth teams since a couple of years before Colin Maskills age group.

Some fans have the opinion that the current youth setup is good that has zero bearing on the U18s of Tony Drury.

Seeing you know so much avenger ,you'll know that the all conquering side of Trevor bailey ,was made up of going around the district picking all the best players from local clubs much the same way were accusing Wigan and leeds of now , you can't tell me owt about wakefield and district rugby over last 30 yrs I was it

Trevor Baileys team was made up of a few Trinity U17s who moved to play at Narmanton alongside a number of players who came from Half Acre Trinity. The reason for the move to Normanton was the ongoing argument between the RFL and BARLA about who should run U17s Rugby.

After forming a very very formidable team, half of the lads moved into Colts Rugby under Alan Box while the other half transferred from Narmanton to Sharlston along with Bailey and later went on tour in Australia.

The following year the two halves of that Normanton team reformed to become the most successful Youth Rugby team in Wakefields history.

So they weren't players picked from all over, in the majority they came from 2 teams, the former Wakefield Trinity U17s (albeit the U16 lads) and the Half Acre Trinity U15s.

The lads who played in that Colts team came mainly from Lupset, Eastmoor, Kettlethorpe and various parts of Cas, Not outside the District so I see no comparison to what Wigan and Leeds are doing?

However once again you're drifting the argument, this wasn't about previous Youth set ups but about the current one and whether it's good or not!

Spencer - Kettlethorpe
Loxton - Normanton
Wild - Cas
McDermott - Lupset
Heggarty - Eastmoor
Green - Cas
Modules - Cas
Potts - Cas
Conway - Normanton
Craig - Lupset
Stuckey - Cas
McCraw - Flanshaw
Kelly - Lupset

Hepworth - Cas
Rollin - Kettlethorpe
Pollard - Grimethorpe
Pell - Cas

A few others played cameo roles but they too were all Wakefield District lads, isn't that how it should be?

You put what you want old lad, I'm telling you and I don't give a damn what you say, when it came to amatuer rugby that was my domain in wakefield I had my spats with Duncan farrar but at the end of it we were mates and like Ive said in a previous thread I don't know you and as far as I'm concerned in the 80s and 90s you were a nobody in wakefield amatuer rugby prove me wrong

Hubris:

Excessive pride or self-confidence

Synonyms: arrogance, conceit, conceitedness, haughtiness, pride, vanity, self-importance, self-conceit, pomposity, superciliousness, feeling of superiority

By the way 7 cas players in your team don't that tell you summat

Thai have to translate your post shunter all Greek to me I'm afraid

If you were so big and knowledgable how come you didn't know the facts behind the formation of that Colts team.

Duncan Farrar was a nobody, nothing more than a committee admin bloke who was tolerated by those who really ran the Youth set up at Wakefield.

7 Cas lads in the team means what exactly?
Cas is a part of Wakefields District and they were all long time players under Bailey at Half Acre Trinity, they were lads who supported Wakefield.

I was around Youth and Schools rugby from the mid 70s and don't know of any single person who fits the description that you attribute to yourself.

You'll know then that at time wakefield and cas were district leagues, don't have to prove owt to you mate but any lad who played rugby at top amatuer level in Yorkshire at that time went through my hands, but like I say you must have been a nobody. One thing that does amuse me is what you trying to avenge, I was a try scorer

I apologise avenger, just realised you'd have been a level below me old lad

I'm not the one making ridiculous and grandiose statements about how great and important I am.
Like I said, no one fits the description you paint of yourself!

More likely that you were nothing more than a hanger on, fantasising that you were important in some way and in your advancing years you're finding it hard to seperate reality from fantasy, Billy Liar like.

As for my forum name, I've told you before I love Joanna Lumley, she's a class femme provocateur.

We get your forum name fella, no need to explain it, you once scored a try!



Your Senility kicking in again, you've just said you've got no idea who I am then slavered out the pearl of wisdom above.