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| Quote ="Mikey T"Nowt like trying to kid yourself is there? I know which of the two coaches will be the happier tonight. The game could have gone either way up until the last five minutes. I was in the main stand and the ref's forward pass decisions looked bang on from where I was sitting and the other 'disallowed' try was through a Wildcats player knocking down a Rovers pass...good job he did as Fev were certain scorers. How many Wakey tries were well constructed efforts? Same with Fev.
It was a good hit out and both teams have work to do before the season starts properly, that's what practise games are for.'"
Give over, I should think Webster is very happy indeed. It was never going both ways Trinity always had enough in reserve.
Next time your in the stand Mickey face the pitch mate - there were at least two play ons that should have been given that would have led to Wakey tries and that "forward" pass would not have been given 9 times out of 10. Worst still was the content messing around by Fev at the PTB which was frankly laughable yet Wakey get pinged and you don't - odd.
That said Fev played well which is what I wanted and the gulf between SL and the rest is getting ever narrower which again is good - why not leave it at that.
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| Quote ="vastman"Give over, I should think Webster is very happy indeed. It was never going both ways Trinity always had enough in reserve.
Next time your in the stand Mickey face the pitch mate - there were at least two play ons that should have been given that would have led to Wakey tries and that "forward" pass would not have been given 9 times out of 10. Worst still was the content messing around by Fev at the PTB which was frankly laughable yet Wakey get pinged and you don't - odd.
That said Fev played well which is what I wanted and the gulf between SL and the rest is getting ever narrower which again is good - why not leave it at that.'"
Well I'm sure the two sides will do battle again at the end of the season so it'll be interesting to see the outcome. I can't think that Webster will be that pleased if, as you seem to suggest, Wakey just did enough especially as he'd demanded so much more from them after the Leeds debacle according to his words in the Express. How many well constructed tries did they actually score against an under strength Championship side?
One last question.....what exactly had the Ref to gain by being more lenient to Fev at the play the ball or in any other aspect of the game?
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| Quote ="Mikey T"Nowt like trying to kid yourself is there? I know which of the two coaches will be the happier tonight. The game could have gone either way up until the last five minutes. I was in the main stand and the ref's forward pass decisions looked bang on from where I was sitting and the other 'disallowed' try was through a Wildcats player knocking down a Rovers pass...good job he did as Fev were certain scorers. How many Wakey tries were well constructed efforts? Same with Fev.
It was a good hit out and both teams have work to do before the season starts properly, that's what practise games are for.'"
It would seem you are correct about the coaches. My take is i don't pay a great deal attention to friendlies early on in pre-season, the performance yesterday might not of been the greatest but it was better than boxing day and it was the first hit out out for some guys and they'll be better for the run. I would like to see a more complete performance for the game in a couple of weeks against Hull which is more likely to be a game played as a true trial, with less subs etc. That will give us a gague where we are.
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| Looks like I was watching a different game to everyone else again yesterday. I though Miller showed up really well and supported the runner on numerous occasions, taking a couple of really good offloads.
He's not the same style of player as Sammutt but that doesn't mean that he shouldn't get picked ahead of him.
To me it's a tough choice that I would make on a weekly basis depending on who the opposition are. Sometimes we will need that steadier influence that can do the little things well and help Tim Smith run a game, and sometimes we will need a bit of maverick play to break defences down. It's just a shame that there isn't more space on the bench.
I think we've got plenty of talent available to us, we just need to utilise it correctly. It has to be the best position we've been in squad wise for a long time.
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| Quote ="Mikey T"Well I'm sure the two sides will do battle again at the end of the season so it'll be interesting to see the outcome. I can't think that Webster will be that pleased if, as you seem to suggest, Wakey just did enough especially as he'd demanded so much more from them after the Leeds debacle according to his words in the Express. How many well constructed tries did they actually score against an under strength Championship side?
One last question.....what exactly had the Ref to gain by being more lenient to Fev at the play the ball or in any other aspect of the game?
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not sure we will do battle again think you will be lucky to make top4 I fancy leigh,bulls,London and Halifax myself Hope im wrong though wouldn't mind to play fev again
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| Quote ="milopolly"So someone who does not stick rigidly to the game plan will also cause problems for the opposition coach as they could not possibly plan to nullify their threat?
The great Harold Poynton wouldn't get a game today as he didn't even know what he was going to do next!
Its called 'genius!
Like Besty in football.
I know what I prefer to watch.'"
The game isn't an individual game so a great player playing on his own is not always good for the team, even if they are as good as Harold Poynton.
I'm not saying I wouldn't play him. I like him and was pleased when we signed him.
I'm just saying, that's why I think Webster is not as enthusiastic about starting him as the fans are.
He didn't always start for Bradford either, yet was a great player for them.
For all his skills, coming off the bench he would be devastating.
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| Quote ="leedscat"not sure we will do battle again think you will be lucky to make top4 I fancy leigh,bulls,London and Halifax myself Hope im wrong though wouldn't mind to play fev again'"
We'll have to play well to make it I agree but we're going to have a lot stronger side available soon than played yesterday. Three Aussies plus Nicholson, Mendeika and Bostock will make a hell of a difference, all likely to be in the 17...I'm optimistic we'll be up there and would love nothing better than to see Rovers and Wildcats doing battle regularly in SL. It's been a long time.
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| I wonder what would happen should Fev be promoted to SL and Cas along with us survive ???
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| Quote ="John Willy Higson"I wonder what would happen should Fev be promoted to SL and Cas along with us survive ???
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It'd be fantastic for the area and the game in my opinion. WMDC is a hotbed for young talent and can sustain three top flight clubs, no problem.
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| The issue is not about the sustainability of live games or the interest of local supporters
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| Quote ="Mikey T"It'd be fantastic for the area and the game in my opinion. WMDC is a hotbed for young talent and can sustain three top flight clubs, no problem.'"
WMDC is a hotbed of talent but hasnt got a cat in hells chance of supplying three clubs. remember your lucky if you get one a season to super league. add to that wire, wigan, leeds, hull, salford, bradford constantly in our area and youll see the difficulty.
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Maybe I could have worded my last posting a little better to say there's enough enthusiasm and tradition in the area to sustain three SL clubs. The fact that it is a hotbed of junior RL proves that point in my eyes. Kids have always been lured away by the bigger clubs but they don't get them all, both Wakey and Rovers had a fair few home grown lads playing on Sunday and all acquitted themselves very well I thought.
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| Quote ="Mikey T"Maybe I could have worded my last posting a little better to say there's enough enthusiasm and tradition in the area to sustain three SL clubs.'"
Given that Cas are operating thanks only to the largesse of a wealthy grocer, and Wakefield were until recently operating at massive losses - that's just not true; there aren't sufficient bodies coming through the gates at either club to sustain them in SL. As for Fev - you're speculating, and for what it's worth, I think you're wrong - they would face exactly the same problems in SL as WTW and Cas do i.e not enough people through the gates each week to generate enough income to pay the full cap, leaving them either trying to compete with a cheaper squad than most, or requiring significant cash injections from a wealthy benefactor on a regular basis, with no hope of ever paying them back.
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| Quote ="bren2k"Given that Cas are operating thanks only to the largesse of a wealthy grocer, and Wakefield were until recently operating at massive losses - that's just not true; there aren't sufficient bodies coming through the gates at either club to sustain them in SL. As for Fev - you're speculating, and for what it's worth, I think you're wrong - they would face exactly the same problems in SL as WTW and Cas do i.e not enough people through the gates each week to generate enough income to pay the full cap, leaving them either trying to compete with a cheaper squad than most, or requiring significant cash injections from a wealthy benefactor on a regular basis, with no hope of ever paying them back.'" w
But for a handful of clubs, what you say applies to the vast majority of SL hence the implementation of the new structure in an attempt to reinvigorate interest within the sport. Licensing had created boredom and that has been reflected in the drop off of support generally. It's only a couple of years since that Wildcats were regularly attracting 7/8k to Belle Vue so the potential is there on the evidence of that. I believe there's a lot of lapsed support throughout the area and indeed the whole heartland which hopefully can be tempted back to the terraces now that there's something to play for.
As for Fev, well they do have something in their favour that neither of the other two have. 17 acres of land much of which is to be utilised for industrial units and warehousing which potentially will bring in around 500k per year to start with and increasing. The existing facilities are are already used and attract commercial revenue streams on a weekly basis also. We have a smart chairman with great business acumen and a desire and belief that he can take the club forward on a sustainable and successful path.
I'm looking forward to the intensity this new format will bring to the game as a whole, the middle eight comp will be fascinating. Can't wait for the season to start.
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As for Fev, well they do have something in their favour that neither of the other two have. 17 acres of land much of which is to be utilised for industrial units and warehousing which potentially will bring in around 500k per year to start with and increasing.
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Not much use if your ground is underwater and you are paying that to play elsewhere, allegedly.
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It's only a couple of years since that Wildcats were regularly attracting 7/8k to Belle Vue so the potential is there on the evidence of that. I believe there's a lot of lapsed support throughout the area and indeed the whole heartland which hopefully can be tempted back to the terraces now that there's something to play for.
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Sadly we won't get anywhere near that number at full price. The reason we had so many coming in was also the factor that crippled us (and Bradford twice) financially. Selling season tickets for considerably under their value to increase attendance figures to meet franchise criteria was a stupid way to go.
At a realistic price we would need to start winning some trophies to get back up to that attendance figure IMO. I'll settle for a regular 5-6k supporters for now if they're all paying the appropriate price.
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| Quote ="Fordy"Sadly we won't get anywhere near that number at full price. The reason we had so many coming in was also the factor that crippled us (and Bradford twice) financially. Selling season tickets for considerably under their value to increase attendance figures to meet franchise criteria was a stupid way to go.
At a realistic price we would need to start winning some trophies to get back up to that attendance figure IMO. I'll settle for a regular 5-6k supporters for now if they're all paying the appropriate price.'"
And don't forget the "creative" counting that was done at the time by JE and AG, along with all the freebies that just walked in through Cats bar
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| I'd be delighted to see yourselves, Cas and Fev all in the top flight as it'd strengthen the credibility of the new system. The downside is that one (prob. Fev) would soon descend. Regardless, the game could easily cope IMO.
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| Quote ="Clearwing"I'd be delighted to see yourselves, Cas and Fev all in the top flight as it'd strengthen the credibility of the new system. The downside is that one (prob. Fev) would soon descend. Regardless, the game could easily cope IMO.'"
Went to the Batley v Fev game this aft,Batley battered them in all departments,speed,forward play,commitment you name it.To be fair Fev should have been niled,Batley looked a fit well drilled unit,Fev well,they were poor and what I've seen of them I think will struggle big time,final score 26.6 and it could've been more.Well played Batley
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| Quote ="Big lads mate"Went to the Batley v Fev game this aft,Batley battered them in all departments,speed,forward play,commitment you name it.To be fair Fev should have been niled,Batley looked a fit well drilled unit,Fev
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And that massive gap between superleague and the championship that people keep going on about resulted in Leigh beating a strong Wigan team today as well. It's going to be an interesting season.
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| Quote ="Wakey Til I Die"Fev also were nilled by a young understrength Cas team as well. It doesn't too much for our scratchy performance against them. I see Widnes won at Saints and Hull KR at Hull as well. It will be very intreresting to see our peformance next week now.
And that massive gap between superleague and the championship that people keep going on about resulted in Leigh beating a strong Wigan team today as well. It's going to be an interesting season.'"
To be fair wakey could've been 50+ and Fev less if not for somebody's errors I can only comment on Fev as I watch them after Wakey and they are a team that's gone backwards when like you say teams like Leigh seem to have progressed, it's not looking good for them in a crutial year ahead and I hope they can turn it around and sooner rather than later.
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To be fair whilst there was other tries that 'could' have been given two of ours that were scored came from forward passes (take a look at the highlights), one from a charge down that could have bounced anywhere but luckily sat up nicely for kirmo and the same goes from the kick through on last one after the hooter when fev were playing silly buggers. On another day the ball bounces the other way and we don't get them and if what you say about Fev is right then it concerns me slightly. I think the scoreline ended up about right and i've yet to see any improvement in this team in the first two pre season games as opposed to the team that limped to the end of last season. Which for me this weekends game against Hull is vital, hopefully the work done in the camp last week will show and we will look a lot more slick and ready to go. We need to play it with the same intensity as if it was a superleague game.
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That don't surprise me tbh. Leigh were excellent against us (Leeds) in the cup last year. Whether or not they can sustain it over a sequence of games is the question though.
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| Quote ="Wakey Til I Die"To be fair whilst there was other tries that 'could' have been given two of ours that were scored came from forward passes (take a look at the highlights), one from a charge down that could have bounced anywhere but luckily sat up nicely for kirmo and the same goes from the kick through on last one after the hooter when fev were playing silly buggers. On another day the ball bounces the other way and we don't get them and if what you say about Fev is right then it concerns me slightly. I think the scoreline ended up about right and i've yet to see any improvement in this team in the first two pre season games as opposed to the team that limped to the end of last season. [uWhich for me this weekends game against Hull is vital, hopefully the work done in the camp last week will show and we will look a lot more slick and ready to go. We need to play it with the same intensity as if it was a superleague game.[/u'"
TBF you could pick the plus and minus bits till you are blue in the face, but in the end it was what it was and that was a chance for Webster to try and pick his best combinations, fortunately/unfortunately he has quite a few options open to him and with a number of new players and limited time I'm not sure he's got them all sorted atm, maybe after the Hull game things may become a lot clearer for him. If he could have just picked a starting 17 with Hall at fb, any two of three Riley,Owen, or Johnstone on the wings the two centres Collis and Lynn, Smith and either Miller/Sammut at stand off, the two hookers Godinet/McShane and perm any of the forwards' then I think the score might have been embarrassing for Fev, but with that many changes it's hardly surprising things didn't go exactly to plan, personally those Iv'e named picks themselves and I suppose injuries will probably dictate his starting line up in the forwards, whichever I'm confident we'll do better than most have predicted and upset quite a lot of people who want to see us fail.
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