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| Quote ="Fordy"I personally would like to see us finish enough points above them to be able to say that the deduction made no difference.'"
Most important thing to achieve if we do survive this season otherwise it'll be another tedious ''you're only still here because Crusaders pulled out'' scenario.
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| Quote ="cahoots"From an outsider here's what it seems.
Wakefield got double the central funding that Bradford did...they then got a further boost with a share of Bradfords withheld money.....which allowed them to get 2 of Bradfords better players.....but now you're upset because you will, in all probability ONLY have a 4 points start over Bradford in the league table.
Trust me, if they finish above you in the league and you get relegated, you DO deserve to go down.'"
Try fishing somewhere else
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| Quote ="bren2k"Most appeal processes (including the RFL's disciplinary one) have an element of jeopardy, to deter non-meritorious appellants; this one doesn't.'"
I think the intended deterrent is that the club have to pay for the appeal themselves. Not sure how much it will cost, but I believe their new owner, Marc Green , is paying for it out of his own pocket.
To me it's all a bit of a red herring. They would be better using their time and money focusing on winning games and improving their squad. I can't see a rebate of more than 2 points.
After the 'you only got in because Crusaders folded' saga, we just need to concentrate on winning more games than London and Bradford ( and maybe Salford?)
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| We are good enough to stay up on the back of our own performances regardless of how many points (if any) Bradford get back. The fact they can appeal with no risk to themselves is an absolute joke and the rules need looking at in future. There's an arrogance around Bradford as a club that needs knocking out of then, so let's hope we do it when we play then in a few weeks.
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| Quote ="cahoots"From an outsider here's what it seems.
Wakefield got double the central funding that Bradford did...they then got a further boost with a share of Bradfords withheld money.....which allowed them to get 2 of Bradfords better players.....but now you're upset because you will, in all probability ONLY have a 4 points start over Bradford in the league table.
Trust me, if they finish above you in the league and you get relegated, you DO deserve to go down.'"
Best ive read on this board for a long time!
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| Quote ="M62 J30 TRINITY"If we didn't have to sell half of our team due to being told if we went into admin we'd be out of SL we would be no where near the relegation zone.'"
And if we had the same team as last year due to having to sell players im pretty sure we would be saying the same thing, all the sad pots on here moaning about our punishment when wakefield have never been punished as much as us for either administration is laughable.
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| Please don't feed the trolls guys
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| Not trolling just pointing out that all a lot of your fans seem to be bothered about is keeping the 6 points between us! You have never been deducted 6 points and never had funding cut yet your owner re run you worse into the ground than us ccjs coming out of his ears, never had a problem with wakefield fans until not but some after this seem as idiotic as the idiots that keep starting fights on your terraces! No fan should ever want to see the demise of another club! Not saying we dont deserve punishing but the severity you lot want is as laughable as your chairmans silly threats about walking away
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| Its a fairly good example of trolling.
You know the views of many of our supporters, and yes some of them are a bit over the top, but at the heart of it we feel we have been hung out to dry by the rfl whiole you have been treat differently.
We were under massive scrutiny at the last round of franchises, while you were hiding your lies. Once the franchises were sorted the RFL were quick to tie up a deal with you over Odsal to save you. Once in admin you were able to keep a squad you could not afford and caused the second admin, we were made to sell what talent we had.
Yes we are interested in what goes on with the Bulls we are also interested in fair play and parity, something we don't seem to see alot of.
If you can understand that, then you will not feel the need to come back banging the aren't the bulls hard done to drum, because we could right a book about it.
Most of it has been our own down fall and we have had to take the medecine we deserved, likewise the bulls need there's.
Get on with it.
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| Im not looking for bites or anything and certainley not coming on here with as much rubbish as some of yours have been putting on our board and i certainley think we deserve punishing for it. But the top and bottom of it was the 6 points were given to BB2012 as they were dure to take over the club, the points should have been reversed in my eyes straight away then re issued on the new owners credentials and how much he is willing to pay the creditors. Not sure how it stands with him being the main creditor but if he isnt willing to pay anymore 6 points should be deducted but nobody sees any sensibility in this
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| The top and bottom of it is the Bulls were given the 6 points because the owners went into admin, if the new owners have paid out some of the creditors then that maybe reduced and thats fair, because thats how it works for everyone else.
To negate the penalty would be an attempt at re-righting history.
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| Been told today that bulls have a letter from RFL advising them to enter admin. Not sure how true this is but could create a nightmare scenario for them from a legal point of view.
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| Quote ="supercat"Been told today that bulls have a letter from RFL advising them to enter admin. Not sure how true this is but could create a nightmare scenario for them from a legal point of view.'"
Cant imagine how the RFL would be in any position to advise them of anything of the sort to be honest.
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| Quote ="kinleycat"Cant imagine how the RFL would be in any position to advise them of anything of the sort to be honest.'"
But that's the same arguement in reverse some have over Wakey claiming they were told by the RFL that they would be kicked out by the RFL if they went into administration.
Neither seem to follow any proper process?
The RFL advising any team to go into admin or not go into admin, is all very dodgy, because if true it's circumnavigating the rules.
Although personally I think the rules should be that, the rules. No need for decisions or appeals.
Admin = fixed points deduction (not phone calls or letters about zero points or removal from the league)
Coming out of admin = % points returned equating to % of debts repaid by new owners.
The penalty is fixed against the old regime, the new regime can effectively buy back the points by paying off the money that was overspent by the previous regime.
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| Is this why the date keeps getting moved back. RFL hoping that BFD have enough points so any point reduction does not matter.
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| Quote ="bewareshadows"But that's the same arguement in reverse some have over Wakey claiming they were told by the RFL that they would be kicked out by the RFL if they went into administration.
Neither seem to follow any proper process?
The RFL advising any team to go into admin or not go into admin, is all very dodgy, because if true it's circumnavigating the rules.
Although personally I think the rules should be that, the rules. No need for decisions or appeals.
Admin = fixed points deduction (not phone calls or letters about zero points or removal from the league)
Coming out of admin = % points returned equating to % of debts repaid by new owners.
The penalty is fixed against the old regime, the new regime can effectively buy back the points by paying off the money that was overspent by the previous regime.'"
No its a completely different one.
The RFL warned us of the repercussions of us going (again) into admin, although those "rules"or repercussions were different for the Bulls.
If the Bulls were to go into admin (again, again!!) surely it would be the bulls informing the RFL not the other way around.
I would wager a decent wedge that even if this is true (and i doubt it is) that even if the Bulls went into admin for a second time in one season, they would not be threated with expulsion from SL.
The rest of your post i agree with by the way
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| Quote ="thepimp007"Im not looking for bites or anything and certainley not coming on here with as much rubbish as some of yours have been putting on our board and i certainley think we deserve punishing for it. But the top and bottom of it was the 6 points were given to BB2012 as they were dure to take over the club, the points should have been reversed in my eyes straight away then re issued on the new owners credentials and how much he is willing to pay the creditors. Not sure how it stands with him being the main creditor but if he isnt willing to pay anymore 6 points should be deducted but nobody sees any sensibility in this'"
Looks like a troll, smells like a troll .. etc etc.
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| Quote ="thepimp007"Im not looking for bites or anything and certainley not coming on here with as much rubbish as some of yours have been putting on our board and i certainley think we deserve punishing for it. But the top and bottom of it was the 6 points were given to BB2012 as they were dure to take over the club, the points should have been reversed in my eyes straight away then re issued on the new owners credentials and how much he is willing to pay the creditors. Not sure how it stands with him being the main creditor but if he isnt willing to pay anymore 6 points should be deducted but nobody sees any sensibility in this'"
Eh! If only your BoD and the RFL were as transparent as you!
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| The decision on Bradfords appeal has been put back to the end of the month, surprise surprise...
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| How complicated can it be?
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| It'll go the end of the season to see how many points they need to stay up. One positive for me if Bradford get some or all points back is that Agar cannot rely on their failure anymore.
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| I have to say Willzay you are quite creative how you manage to bring every single issue back to that point.
But let's not derail this one to an Agar discussion again. We have plenty of those already.
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| On the Bradford issue, putting it off helps no one.
Better for Bradford to get it out of the way so they know what their target is.
There shouldn't be any more info to be added to the case. There is either extra info that warrented an appeal or there wasn't. They shouldn't be able to launch an appeal and then go looking for reasons why they could contest it.
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| Quote ="PopTart"On the Bradford issue, putting it off helps no one.
Better for Bradford to get it out of the way so they know what their target is.
There shouldn't be any more info to be added to the case. There is either extra info that warrented an appeal or there wasn't. They shouldn't be able to launch an appeal and then go looking for reasons why they could contest it.'"
It just smacks of a cop out. !
IF Wakefield manage a few more wins, it will be less controversial to give Bradford more of their points back.
Equally, IF Bradford themselves start winning games, it may not matter either way.
The real conundrum comes IF the gap between Bradford and Wakefield is less than 6 points and IF both teams are still in the relegation scrap (which most think they will), the brown stuff really will hit the fan.
Just for good measure, Salford could also get dragged into the fight and Dr K certainly wont keep his opinions to himself.
Another RFL fudge is to be expected and all parties will still cry foul
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| Dont think theres anything fishy with it being put back personally...anything like this with barristers...solicitors etc...can always be put back and delayed....not doing anyone any favours though...Bradford more than anyone i'd say..
We just need to concentrate fully on improving and picking up wins...enough to put us in a position where the outcome will be irrelevant....which we are more than capable of...
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