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| Quote ="frogcat"bit unfair that mate. he is not my cup of tea either but the truth is 6 possibly 7 of the team he's got are not what ifhe would have had if he'd had the chance to pick them. my opinion is that it will take this season to sort it out. next season should see a big improvement when everyone has settled down and we have brought in 3 or 4 good signings and released some unwanted.i have it on good authority that one of our old boys may be on his way back. despite the poor season up till now agar is still pretty well thought of by the boys'"
Which 'old boy' is coming back? I can only think it'd be worth getting Korkidas or Obst back. It'll probably be Tommy Lee at hooker!
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| We'll know in a month whether he has a future here. Its a big month on the pitch for us. We go well then Agar will be proved right and i doubt he'll be back. We struggle and he should be given a chance.
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| Quote ="bren2k"Couldn't it mean 'not as good as the two options in front of him at hooker, so on loan to keep fit/sharpen up?'
It strikes me as bizarre to suggest that a Head Coach, who's key performance indicator is on-field performance, would snub players who he knew to be better than others, simply because he didn't perceive them as 'his' signings.
If James Elston had signed Greg Inglis prior to Mr Agar's arrival, would he be on his way up to Mount Pleasant for a stint with Batley?'"
While i don't disagree its seems bizarre to drop a player, our player of the year last season and a good go forward player to the 20's and player a hooker at prop from a bench that had no go forward.
I feel thats an even more bizarre.
Hopefully there is a good rugby reason for this call.
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| Quote ="El Rey"While i don't disagree its seems bizarre to drop a player, our player of the year last season and a good go forward player to the 20's and player a hooker at prop from a bench that had no go forward.
I feel thats an even more bizarre.
Hopefully there is a good rugby reason for this call.'"
I dont think he has dropped him his form is not as good Aiton paul has the shirt Ellis needs to prove he can take it from him. Johnson hasnt been anywhere near the form he was in last season IMHO
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| Quote ="REDWHITEANDBLUE"I dont think he has dropped him his form is not as good Aiton paul has the shirt Ellis needs to prove he can take it from him. Johnson hasnt been anywhere near the form he was in last season IMHO'"
I think Johnson's dip in form is because a) maybe Agar isn't filling him with confidence like Kear did, b) Johnson started almost every game last year, so maybe the fact that he hasn't this year has also had an effect on his confidence. As for Ellis I think it's a real shame that the only games he has played in have been games where "we have no chance" such as Wigan and Saints, same goes for Wildie. I hope we haven't seen the last of Ellis in a trin shirt.
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| Quote ="REDWHITEANDBLUE"I dont think he has dropped him his form is not as good Aiton paul has the shirt Ellis needs to prove he can take it from him. Johnson hasnt been anywhere near the form he was in last season IMHO'"
I get the Aiton/Eliis thing i realy do, what i don't get is Aiton propping while a fully fit if a little off form second rower plays 20's.
I agree he's not hit last years form but he's a better prop than Aiton (who i really rate) any day of the week.
Thats why i'm not the coach maybe
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| Honestly, i can't say whether it's the right move or not as i haven't seen enough of Ellis to make a judgement. But as mentioned, he's never really been given a chance and like a few others has only played games in which we never really stood a chance.
The baffling thing is Aiton seems to be used as a utility forward, generally at loose so surely that creates a spot at hooker? Ellis was Bronco's player of the year and was on the fringes of the England set up last year under a relatively inexperienced coach. So, why can't Agar get that form out of him?
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| Quote ="bren2k"Couldn't it mean 'not as good as the two options in front of him at hooker, so on loan to keep fit/sharpen up?'
It strikes me as bizarre to suggest that a Head Coach, who's key performance indicator is on-field performance, would snub players who he knew to be better than others, simply because he didn't perceive them as 'his' signings.
If James Elston had signed Greg Inglis prior to Mr Agar's arrival, would he be on his way up to Mount Pleasant for a stint with Batley?'"
Surely it can't be that simple.
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| Quote ="Trinity Till Death"Honestly, i can't say whether it's the right move or not as i haven't seen enough of Ellis to make a judgement. But as mentioned, he's never really been given a chance and like a few others has only played games in which we never really stood a chance.
The baffling thing is Aiton seems to be used as a utility forward, generally at loose so surely that creates a spot at hooker? Ellis was Bronco's player of the year and was on the fringes of the England set up last year under a relatively inexperienced coach. So, why can't Agar get that form out of him?'"
Because Agar is pants.
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| Quote ="asmadasa"Which 'old boy' is coming back? I can only think it'd be worth getting Korkidas or Obst back. It'll probably be Tommy Lee at hooker!
'" no not tommy or korki and obsty, they seem happy with jd but i know olly is out of contract at bradford and they have not bothered talking to him. he would jump at coming back to wakey but of course no one will talk to him yet.i am sure?
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| Quote ="frogcat"he would jump at coming back to wakey but of course no one will talk to him yet.'"
You're not allowed to talk to players until after a certain date, although i'm not sure when this is. I think it's end of June?
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| Quote ="charlie"You're not allowed to talk to players until after a certain date, although i'm not sure when this is. I think it's end of June?'"
1st of September is the official date, but.......
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| You can't talk to players still under contract but there is nothing to stop an agent doing this behind a clubs back and if Bradford can't really talk to players because of their situation then you can't really fault the player and his agent. There future comes before club in this case.
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| I think, if the club is not going to issue a new contract, it allows the players to talk to other clubs.
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| Wouldn't mind having Olly back
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| Quote ="Willzay"Wouldn't mind having Olly back'"
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| Quote ="vastman"Are you mad, he only weighs 16 stone, he's a midget!
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I must be, he is not auzzie.
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| richard moore is not getting in at leeds it could be him on lone
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| Quote ="vastman"Are you mad, he only weighs 16 stone, he's a midget!
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15 stone 14 lb actually
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| Quote ="TheLinkMan"richard moore is not getting in at leeds it could be him on lone'"
I wouldnt want him tbh, his form since he left us hasnt been particually good. Darrell Griffing better option if were going in for a ex prop always gives 100%. Cant see either of them coming in over the next few weeks though so aiton will prop on sunday again
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| Quote ="vastman"Are you mad, he only weighs 16 stone, he's a midget!
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Not wishing to add fuel to anyone's fire, BUT i saw him in Sainsbury's yesterday at the White Rose, i had a wakey tracky top on, he spotted and nodded and said hi, anyhooo he is surprisingly not that big, i was actually surprised!!!
In the wise words of Obi Wan Kenobi (Jedi Master), he is not the prop we are looking for, as much as i liked him as a wakey player, and a fairly prolific try scorer.
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| Quote ="kinleycat"Not wishing to add fuel to anyone's fire, BUT i saw him in Sainsbury's yesterday at the White Rose, i had a wakey tracky top on, he spotted and nodded and said hi, anyhooo he is surprisingly not that big, i was actually surprised!!!
In the wise words of Obi Wan Kenobi (Jedi Master), he is not the prop we are looking for, as much as i liked him as a wakey player, and a fairly prolific try scorer.'"
As a prop, no. As a player with some guts and a bit of fire, yes I'd have him back.
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| Quote ="Mr Bliss"15 stone 14 lb actually'"
Is that not 16 Stone There is 14 pounds in a stone
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| And Elima .... Yeah thats just what we need another second rower !
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| Quote ="Wildcat26"And Elima .... Yeah thats just what we need another second rower !'"
I'd have Elima over Mellars and Southern any day!
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