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| Quote ="fat faced fan"it's going to be a long season for widnes fans if they think the ref is to blame for their own inability to master the laws and their interpretation.'"
I don't think anyone has done this? Especially not composing at those gave against us.
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| Quote ="J20"I don't think anyone has done this? Especially not composing at those gave against us.'"
i think that you are clinically insane. however this is not a professional opinion.
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| Quote ="fat faced fan"i think that you are clinically insane. however this is not a professional opinion.'"
Ha, complaining it meant, naturally!
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| Quote ="wrencat1873":1of3j841How many headshots before he took action ? BTW the ruck area is the area surrounding the tackle/ptb, we know its not a ruck or maul as in Yawnion.
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The Vikings were playing to the rules when getting up off the tackled player. The ref never had to call "move". Wakefield were deliberately lying on. FACT.
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| Quote ="Old Viking"The Vikings were playing to the rules when getting up off the tackled player. The ref never had to call "move". Wakefield were deliberately lying on. FACT.'"
Sorry to be pedantic but its your interpretation, therefore its an opinion, not a fact.
Thanks.
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| Quote ="Old Viking"I was not talking about headshots.
I am glad you know it is not a ruck [a maul is a different thing.
The Vikings were playing to the rules when getting up off the tackled player. The ref never had to call "move". Wakefield were deliberately lying on. FACT.'"
Good.
About time we had a team that learnt to handle the game to the limits of what the referee allows.
If you have a problem with this, you are in for a long season, especially when you play teams like Wigan.
You're no longer a big fish in a small pond and you will find that there are times when other teams get more decisions than you, which you probably didn't have in the Championship as you were quite clearly one of the "Bigger" clubs in there.
It happens, learn to deal with it and play smarter - it's all you can do! We've been there and still are when it comes to playing the "Big" teams in SL.
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| Quote ="Wildthing"Sorry to be pedantic but its your interpretation, therefore its an opinion, not a fact.
Thanks.
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The fact that Widnes were getting off the tackled player quickly was there to see. The fact that the referee had to call "move" after every Wakefield tackle was also there to see.
Were you there to see it?
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| Quote ="Old Viking"The fact that Widnes were getting off the tackled player quickly was there to see. The fact that the referee had to call "move" after every Wakefield tackle was also there to see.
Were you there to see it?'"
Yes I was, and I have my own interpretations of the how the game was refereed.
These are opinions, not facts.
As are yours!
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| Quote ="Fordy"Good.
About time we had a team that learnt to handle the game to the limits of what the referee allows.
If you have a problem with this, you are in for a long season, especially when you play teams like Wigan.
You're no longer a big fish in a small pond and you will find that there are times when other teams get more decisions than you, which you probably didn't have in the Championship as you were quite clearly one of the "Bigger" clubs in there.
It happens, learn to deal with it and play smarter - it's all you can do! We've been there and still are when it comes to playing the "Big" teams in SL.'"
The game should not be played to the limits that the referee allows, it should be played to the rules.
If playing smarter means trying to evade the real meaning of the rules then I hope Widnes never learn to play smart.
I have been watching the game of Rugby League for a long time and do regret the passing of sportsmanship to make way for outwitting the referee, be it Thaler or Lauatiti,
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| Quote ="Wildthing"Yes I was, and I have my own interpretations of the how the game was refereed.
These are opinions, not facts.
As are yours!
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I never said that Thaler had a bad game.
While I appreciate how your interpretations become opinions, I did ask the question "Were you there"? Were you?
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| Quote ="Old Viking"I never said that Thaler had a bad game.
While I appreciate how your interpretations become opinions, I did ask the question "Were you there"? Were you?'"
I did reply to your question.
Please read my post again.
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| Quote ="financialtimes"Both Isa and Ah Van were also getting away with coming in late on the tackle and were rarely punished.
Cross was binned for descent after having a go at Thaler, not sure he could have remembered the 3 previous takles he made that nearly took players heads off, but he does seem to move around the pitch in a semi concious state
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Where did he descend to?
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| Quote ="Wildthing"I did reply to your question.
Please read my post again.'"
I have. Sorry to have missed your answer!
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| Quote ="Old Viking"I have. Sorry to have missed your answer!'"
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| Quote ="Old Viking"The fact that Widnes were getting off the tackled player quickly was there to see. [uThe fact that the referee had to call "move" after every Wakefield tackle was also there to see.[/u
Were you there to see it?'"
Thats normal mate, thats how the games played.
Its an Aussie thing would you believe.
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| Quote ="Old Viking"I was not talking about headshots.
I am glad you know it is not a ruck [a maul is a different thing.
The Vikings were playing to the rules when getting up off the tackled player. The ref never had to call "move". Wakefield were deliberately lying on. FACT.'"
Oh dear - your naivety is rather sweet, but if you expect SL opposition to play to the spirit of the laws rather than the letter, you're in for a loooong and frustrating season. I'd go so far as to suggest that if your players were getting off the tackle *before* the ref called move, either they're a bit dim, your coach is way out his depth, or both. I'm not a fan of the 'wrestle' techniques that the Aussie coaches brought to SL but at this moment in time, failing to use them to some degree is like turning up to a gunfight armed with a knife. I can only imagine how you'll react after playing Wigan or Shudds - you may need a long, post-match lie down.
I don't need to be educated about the correct terminology by the way - the tackle is commonly referred to as 'the ruck' in RL, as [url=http://en.rugbyleaguewiki.org/wiki/Ruckthis link[/url clearly demonstrates.
Don't worry - I know it's hard being the new boy, but you'll catch up in a season or two.
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| Quote ="Old Viking"Where did he descend to?
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That's called "Clutching at straws" and I'm sure we're all alowed the odd speelling mistake on here, I'd hate to go through all the threads picking up where peeps have use the wrong word (as,has,Their There They're, Your, You're) to point out a few, but you carry on mate, you should get your GCSE grade C by the end of June
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| Quote ="Old Viking"The game should not be played to the limits that the referee allows, it should be played to the rules.
If playing smarter means trying to evade the real meaning of the rules then I hope Widnes never learn to play smart.
I have been watching the game of Rugby League for a long time and do regret the passing of sportsmanship to make way for outwitting the referee, be it Thaler or Lauatiti,'"
Sorry to add to your woes Old Viking, but wait until you play Leeds, Wigan or Shudds and then you really will see some "proper" slowing of the play the ball.
Also Widnes regularly used an additional "runner" just as a tackle was taking place. It appeared as though this tactic was being used to obstruct the tackler, although you did score from an off load to one of these players who then passed wide for Ah Van.
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| Quote ="Old Viking"The game should not be played to the limits that the referee allows, it should be played to the rules.
If playing smarter means trying to evade the real meaning of the rules then I hope Widnes never learn to play smart.
I have been watching the game of Rugby League for a long time and do regret the passing of sportsmanship to make way for outwitting the referee, be it Thaler or Lauatiti,'"
If Friday nights game was played "to the rules" as you put it - then you would have had about 4 players on the pitch at 65 mins.
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| High tackle = red card? That's a new one. Never mind the fact Cockaynes early on was the worst of the night yet no complaints here.
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| Quote ="J20" Never mind the fact Cockaynes early on was the worst of the night yet no complaints here.'"
I know, it was a shocking attempt of a try what was he thinking
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| Quote ="J20"High tackle = red card? That's a new one. Never mind the fact Cockaynes early on was the worst of the night yet no complaints here.'"
If back chatting a ref is a yellow, then carelessly or recklessly attacking the head or neck of another player should be red.
Of course we all know it isn't but let's put some reality into the mix.
The refs ego and good running of the game or a potentially serious injury to a young man?
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| Let us see what Wheezy's reaction the Giants match will be, he'll have a fit!!
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| When our Dennis was waxing lyrical on the virtues of the I pitch on sky sports, I'm almost certain I heard him claim inspire of the weather three games had been played on it without any major issue.
Somebody mentioned at work that the reserve game played on Saturday was abandoned following a double leg break to a young Widnes player.
Now I'm not jumping to any conclusion, but that fact seems to have been omitted from Dennis' summary of the weekend.
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| Quote ="kinleycat"When our Dennis was waxing lyrical on the virtues of the I pitch on sky sports, I'm almost certain I heard him claim inspire of the weather three games had been played on it without any major issue.
Somebody mentioned at work that the reserve game played on Saturday was abandoned following a double leg break to a young Widnes player.
Now I'm not jumping to any conclusion, but that fact seems to have been omitted from Dennis' summary of the weekend.'"
So you where just digging to cause trouble then. Coyle's guttingly horror injury has been well covered elsewhere. Trying to use it to back up Mathers sore knee claims? Classy.
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