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| Quote ="vastman"That’s all true.
What you don’t seem to take into account in the same way the all the experts on here don’t is options.
He runs a club that has been failing for 40 years, none of it of his making.
He has always made it clear he won’t incur debt both for the club or himself chasing success. He has always been honest about this, something people now seem so happy to ignore as they throw there toys out the pram.
Same people who wouldn’t risk a penny of their own money.
So what options has he had!
He’s attempted to keep real star players and has done so. Yet somehow you expect us to pay those wages and still be able to compliment them with others, get real.
He did manage for a while but our luck has run out and the sooner we accept that the better. We as a club have been burning the candle at both ends and it might now be over.
We’ve lived on scraps for years and MC has done his best with incredibly limited options, I’d love to see anyone on here do better I really would.
Finally there are many on here with incredibly short memories and limitless amounts of ingratitude. When MC leaves he will do something no Trinity CEO has ever done. He may leave the club relegated for now but he won’t leave it broke and pennyless like every other previous owner has.
Relegation is not wanted I agree but without Carters prudence it would have happened before now. And without cutting our cloth now it would have become inevitable.
It’s a simple equation - no new ground developments and the resultant financial rewards then no Trinity in any form not just SL.
Regardless of on field performances the Trinity that started 2022 was already unsustainable in it current set up. Without them we would eventually have been relegated but with absolutely zero chance of coming back up or even surviving. We were doomed anyway.
Same will apply to Cas unless they sort it.
The new east and north stands are our saviours not some NRL prop no matter who’s he is.
Fans are not expected to be realistic I accept that but those who run the club are. For that I have total admiration for our BOD even if we are relegated and in truth I fear we will be as I think all our nine lives were spent years ago.'"
I rarely agree with Vastman but this is spot on. Personally I’m gutted with the situation we’re in but I’m totally peed off with the know it alls on here passing judgement on Carter and the rest.
This is the nub of the argument - “He (Carter) has always made it clear he won’t incur debt both for the club or himself chasing success. He has always been honest about this, something people now seem so happy to ignore as they throw there toys out the pram.
Same people who wouldn’t risk a penny of their own money.”
Absolutely! Time for posters on here to put up or shut up. Stop carping and start supporting.
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| Quote ="alegend"Can not believe Mr Carter is getting stick .'"
Really, you should have realised by now that the bulk of Trinity fans on here are self appointed experts without an ounce of gratitude or a penny of there own invested other than a matchday ticket and that wasn’t always the case until MC crushed the parasite brigade.
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| Quote ="vastman"Really, you should have realised by now that the bulk of Trinity fans on here are self appointed experts without an ounce of gratitude or a penny of there own invested other than a matchday ticket and that wasn’t always the case until MC crushed the parasite brigade.'"
That’s your take on why people have that view, it has no bearing whatsoever on why I voice what I know about the situation
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| We're in quite the pickle, that's for sure
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| Quote ="vastman"And you know this how? Well of course you don’t you’re just another pretender who thinks he knows but he doesn’t.
Carter has been CEO for six years that alone is a half million pound investment seeing as he works for free. Show some dignity.'"
He actually put exactly that on here himself posting as Daddycool very shortly after he took over, he was quite open about it. He described his investment as his pension that he wanted to try and claw back. Both him and Chris Brereton. Now over time his reasons may well have changed i don’t know but it was by his own admittance why he originally got involved.
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| Quote ="vastman"And you know this how? Well of course you don’t you’re just another pretender who thinks he knows but he doesn’t.
Carter has been CEO for six years that alone is a half million pound investment seeing as he works for free. Show some dignity.'"
He's been at the helm since the end of the 2013 season. I make that 9 years.
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| MC has transformed the club off the field but made two errors on it:
1. Stayed too loyal to Chester for too long
2. Appointed Poching
WP didn’t build the squad but the nature of it meant that it was no job for someone who either hasn’t fancied any head coach job in the past or who no one thought was good enough.
Those two decisions will put us back years just at the point the future was looking brighter
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| Quote ="Slugger McBatt"MC has transformed the club off the field but made two errors on it:
1. Stayed too loyal to Chester for too long
2. Appointed Poching
WP didn’t build the squad but the nature of it meant that it was no job for someone who either hasn’t fancied any head coach job in the past or who no one thought was good enough.
Those two decisions will put us back years just at the point the future was looking brighter'"
Bang on Slugger and i fear it will take longer to rectify those two mistakes than it took to get the ground sorted.
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| Quote ="Travelling Wilbury"Couldn't agree more there.
We could argue that our sponsorship money has reduced, but at the end of the day, so has all other clubs. A question to follow this, has the club tried to do any marketing, to try and bring in extra revenue. I think we all know the answer, as it isn't the Carter way. His pig headedness regarding this, amd putting tge onus on fans regarding buying their season tickets is another thing that has annoyed me in the past few years.'"
Actually no - it hasn’t at all other clubs. In a recent fan forum we learnt that our sponsorship at Huddersfield is the highest it’s ever been. Ken Davy realised that trying to grow the fan base to increase revenue was a lost cause so the emphasis was taken away from there. Instead he reduced ticket prices and increased the focus on business sponsorship. The business sponsorship brings in more revenue than money lost to ticket sales.
He didn’t build a financial advice business and sell it for 75 million by not understanding finances!
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| Quote ="jools"Actually no - it hasn’t at all other clubs. In a recent fan forum we learnt that our sponsorship at Huddersfield is the highest it’s ever been. Ken Davy realised that trying to grow the fan base to increase revenue was a lost cause so the emphasis was taken away from there. Instead he reduced ticket prices and increased the focus on business sponsorship. The business sponsorship brings in more revenue than money lost to ticket sales.
He didn’t build a financial advice business and sell it for 75 million by not understanding finances!'"
One subtle difference KD is loaded and makes our lot look like paupers. If we pumped in the money like him we would be OK. Problem is we cant
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| Quote ="Prince Buster"One subtle difference KD is loaded and makes our lot look like paupers. If we pumped in the money like him we would be OK. Problem is we cant'"
The money he “pumps in” as you put it all goes into the stadium- something you keep reminding us you don’t need to do because you own it and earn revenue from it.
And yes he has purchased Laund hill for use as a training facility- and the academy /reserve games but this will also be used by the community.
The running of the first team, academy, reserves and the rest is done from the revenue that comes into the club from sky money, ticket sales, sponsorship, merchandise, lottery etc. just like you.
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| Quote ="jools"Actually no - it hasn’t at all other clubs. In a recent fan forum we learnt that our sponsorship at Huddersfield is the highest it’s ever been. Ken Davy realised that trying to grow the fan base to increase revenue was a lost cause so the emphasis was taken away from there. Instead he reduced ticket prices and increased the focus on business sponsorship. The business sponsorship brings in more revenue than money lost to ticket sales.
[uHe didn’t build a financial advice business and sell it for 75 million by not understanding finances[/u!'"
Well there you go then, perhaps those financial genius's on here what know how to run the club could get in touch with Mr Davey to find out where Mr Carter is going wrong.
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| Quote ="The Avenger"That’s your take on why people have that view, [uit has no bearing whatsoever on why I voice what I know about the situation[/u'"
Is it something you can share with the rest of us, or is it a case of if I tell you, you'll know as much as I do.
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| Quote ="chissitt"
I’ve some respect for you Chissit so please don’t take this wrong
I don’t care whether other posters believe what I post or not, I’m not a liar, I post what I KNOW to be true and I don’t speculate. I very much walk a tightrope over what I ought to and ought not to say on here, more often than not I write a post then delete it without posting so as not to cause aggravation.
I love the club as much as anyone on here and don’t wish to see it harmed or want to be negative about it.
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| Ken Davy is a sugar daddy for Huddersfield giants without him putting his money into you would be in a worse position than what we are jools .
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| Quote ="chissitt"Well there you go then, perhaps those financial genius's on here what know how to run the club could get in touch with Mr Davey to find out where Mr Carter is going wrong.'"
Ah so he is going wrong then at least you have just pointed that out.
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| If we don’t have the money to stay in SL then certainly we will not have enough to get out of the championship. We have had how many seasons to improve our finance stream but for some reason we have not.
I wonder if the controller realisers that with relegation comes the loss of prestige, no longer attending meetings, limited media presence and reduced money.
I cannot believe anyone would think investing in a professional sports club is anything but lost money, it certainly isn’t a way to boost your pension, which is a bit worrying for an Accountant not to realise.
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I don't blame Carter. The reality is that he's operating on pennies.
But, the below article is following Brian Smith's resignation. What since this was published has changed?
The stadium is a big plus although we've gone the very long way about it. Perhaps someone more in the know can educate me but if we go down does it effect the redevelopment? Are costs reliant on Super League survival?
I just feel very sad it's come to this.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.skys ... -wakefield
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I don't blame Carter. The reality is that he's operating on pennies.
But, the below article is following Brian Smith's resignation. What since this was published has changed?
The stadium is a big plus although we've gone the very long way about it. Perhaps someone more in the know can educate me but if we go down does it effect the redevelopment? Are costs reliant on Super League survival?
I just feel very sad it's come to this.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.skys ... -wakefield
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| Quote ="Roverman1"Ken Davy is a sugar daddy for Huddersfield giants without him putting his money into you would be in a worse position than what we are jools .'"
He is incredibly wealthy - it must take an absolute fortune to reanimate oneself on a daily basis.
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Quote ="marc271841"I don't blame Carter. The reality is that he's operating on pennies.
But, the below article is following Brian Smith's resignation. What since this was published has changed?
The stadium is a big plus although we've gone the very long way about it. Perhaps someone more in the know can educate me but if we go down does it effect the redevelopment? Are costs reliant on Super League survival?
I just feel very sad it's come to this.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.skys ... -wakefield'"
Certainly not, the development will be completed fear not.
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Quote ="marc271841"I don't blame Carter. The reality is that he's operating on pennies.
But, the below article is following Brian Smith's resignation. What since this was published has changed?
The stadium is a big plus although we've gone the very long way about it. Perhaps someone more in the know can educate me but if we go down does it effect the redevelopment? Are costs reliant on Super League survival?
I just feel very sad it's come to this.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.skys ... -wakefield'"
Certainly not, the development will be completed fear not.
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| Quote ="Prince Buster"Certainly not, the development will be completed fear not.'"
Reason to be a little positive #1
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| Quote ="Prince Buster"Ah so he is going wrong then at least you have just pointed that out.'"
With regards to the playing side of things, team selection, recruitment, team tactics I leave to the coaching staff, which incidentally would not have been my preferred choice, as would not some of the players, ,but I'm not a coach and I'm loathed to criticise players who do what I'm unable to do, I can understand criticism of the above players and coaching staff by some on here especially those that have played the game but for the life of me fail to understand all this criticism against Carter, he could have people have pointed out got rid of Chester sooner than he did, was there a viable option to Poching?, we're all frustrated and some a bit more bitter than others, I notice your a bit forthright with your criticism towards Carter yourself is that due to your experience in accountancy and business studies based on some of your comments.
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| Quote ="Roverman1"Ken Davy is a sugar daddy for Huddersfield giants without him putting his money into you would be in a worse position than what we are jools .'"
As I’ve already stated the money he puts in goes into the stadium-something he describes as a noose around the neck of the club- not into the day to day running of the Huddersfield giants. He has been very clear about what he funds and what he does not.
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| He's bankrolled Huddersfield giants for years without his money you would not have a club in SL .
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| Pardon my intrusion but, i know it's not good atm,however, you can carry on being despondent, and negative which is understandable to a degree, or you can say we are not down yet, and we will turn up, and show/shout out to the players what your club means to you. Turn up in droves ,and let them know that everyone is in this together to FIGHT to save your club from relegation. DON'T GIVE UP!
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