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| Quote ="Luppylad"Not a convert in anyway it is what it is never said i believe it.'"
Quote ="Luppylad"Dont know if mason is unhappy or not not heard owt till reading on here=#FF0000 but if it where to be true i wouldnt want him to play'"
Above is the post you don't seem too clear about, I never said you believed it, but the piece above seems to point that your not too sure, hope that explains what I was implying.
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| Quote ="GET EM ON SIDE REF"Personally I have never rated Miller a very average overseas player an example of what is wrong in SL
He would struggle to play reserve grade back home.
Walker and Bowes offered more last night than I have seen from Miller in 2-3 seasons
As for him been captain the mind boggles'"
I never get posts like this, utter rubbish.
It’s like you can’t make your case on merit so you denigrate others to compensate.
Miller is a great little player whose proved himself over and over and is well worth his place at the club, it’s idiotic to argue otherwise and I honestly don’t know why you and others do it. You don’t need to!!!
I really like Walker and I think he not a LF but a SO and long term for me he should replace Miller. Also long term I actually believe he will be a better player. I think he’s a more creative player than Miller.
None of that makes Miller a bad player it just makes Walker potentially a better one. See it’s not difficult, it’s totally possible to prefer one player over another without destroying his predecessors reputation.
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| Quote ="chissitt"Above is the post you don't seem too clear about, I never said you believed it, but the piece above seems to point that your not too sure, hope that explains what I was implying.'"
You said i was converting to believing it was true but what i actually said as you pointed if it where to be true well where does that say im a convert. If i say "if i win lottery im buying a ferrari" does that mean i believe im gonna win.
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| Can not understand why Miller comes in for criticism all the time,He is worth is place in the team for is tackling.As the grounds get harder he gets better .He is by far the best number 6 over all we have Wakefield . Walker went well at Catalans but not quite up to replacing Miller yet
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| I do think Miller has proved his worth since joining us. For Walker to be able to play out of position at SO is a credit to his skill. I did watch him play at LF at Oldham when he played reserves and really don’t get why we don’t give him a run of games in that position here.
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| Miller is not your quintessential number 6. He is not a game organiser but unlike the majority he gives his all, sometimes too much. He tackles well above his weight and in his desperation for a win takes on the miracle play.
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| Quote ="Luppylad"You said i was converting to believing it was true but [uwhat i actually said as you pointed if it where to be true[/u well where does that say im a convert. If i say "if i win lottery im buying a ferrari" does that mean i believe im gonna win.'"
Just for clarity I've underlined what you said, are you okay with that up to now? it doesn't say you are a convert, and once again just to be clear neither have I said you are a convert if that makes any sense to you, what I said for the last time is[u If it were true [/u your words not mine, and I implied that maybe you were not convinced it wasn't the truth, hope that helps you, btw the Ferrari bit might be true in your head who knows.you might need to think about it.
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| I like Walker, and I hope we tie him down to a longer deal. But he’s nowhere near the level of Miller just yet, even when Miller is out of form. He’s currently fourth choice in the halves. Miller, Lino and Gaskell are all ahead of him. Personally I’d like to see him get a run at loose forward, I think he could compliment the half backs really well.
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| Quote ="imwakefieldtillidie"I like Walker, and I hope we tie him down to a longer deal. But he’s nowhere near the level of Miller just yet, even when Miller is out of form. He’s currently fourth choice in the halves. Miller, Lino and Gaskell are all ahead of him. Personally I’d like to see him get a run at loose forward, I think he could compliment the half backs really well.'"
That’s not my reading of Walker’s development... I think he would grow incredibly from an extended spell at half... and on this years evidence alone... (two games in) he deserves to keep his slot.
Nothing against Lino and Gaskell (although depending on his reason for not playing on Saturday ... I might have something against Miller)
The only thing going against Walker at the moment in his development is he’s not Australian
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| Quote ="Spookisback"That’s not my reading of Walker’s development... I think he would grow incredibly from an extended spell at half... and on this years evidence alone... (two games in) he deserves to keep his slot.
Nothing against Lino and Gaskell (although depending on his reason for not playing on Saturday ... I might have something against Miller)
The only thing going against Walker at the moment in his development is he’s not Australian'"
He didn’t play against Hull.
Just my opinion, but Walker’s size make him more suited to loose, and I also don’t think he has the speed to be a modern day stand off.
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| Miller and Gaskell didn’t play against Catalan... Lino hasn’t pulled on a shirt yet... we disagree obviously...
But I think Walker has the makings of a first class half, probably better than we’ve had in years
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| Quote ="Spookisback"Miller and Gaskell didn’t play against Catalan... Lino hasn’t pulled on a shirt yet... we disagree obviously...
But I think Walker has the makings of a first class half, probably better than we’ve had in years'"
My original point was that he’s behind Miller at the moment. I think we both agree he has the potential to become a very good player, just in different positions. I’d be happy for either us to be right.
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| Quote ="imwakefieldtillidie"My original point was that he’s behind Miller at the moment. I think we both agree he has the potential to become a very good player, just in different positions. I’d be happy for either us to be right.'"
Oh... stop being reasonable!
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| Poaching’s job just got a whole lot harder picking the team going forwards after Saturday with some stand out performances by players who have been given a chance to showcase their talents, and to a man have up trumps ,not only for themselves but for the future of Wakey
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| Quote ="Kettykat"Poaching’s job just got a whole lot harder picking the team going forwards after Saturday with some stand out performances by players who have been given a chance to showcase their talents, and to a man have up trumps ,not only for themselves but for the future of Wakey'"
Agreed.
Problem is whatever he does now he will be wrong to a section of the crowd.
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| Quote ="chissitt"Just for clarity I've underlined what you said, are you okay with that up to now? it doesn't say you are a convert, and once again just to be clear neither have I said you are a convert if that makes any sense to you, what I said for the last time is[u If it were true [/u your words not mine, and I implied that maybe you were not convinced it wasn't the truth, hope that helps you, btw the Ferrari bit might be true in your head who knows.you might need to think about it.'"
So just by me saying "if it where to be true" doesnt in anyway make me believe it may be true.or is that unclear to you,and the ferrari bit isnt true my head i wish it was though
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| Quote ="vastman"Agreed.
Problem is whatever he does now he will be wrong to a section of the crowd.'"
That depends on the results
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"That depends on the results
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You'd think so but with some eve that doesn't seem to count.
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| Quote ="Luppylad"So just by me saying "if it where to be true" doesnt in anyway make me believe it may be true.or is that unclear to you,and the ferrari bit isnt true my head i wish it was though'"
Believe what you want squire I lost all interest when you took my post out of context, your analogy was a bit naff as well to be honest.
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| Don’t get the whole bagging millar, been a good half back over a long period of time - his kicking game isn’t the greatest but for our budget more than happy with him.
On the walker front has always been a good footballer but reminds me a little bit of Ryan Hudson - bit slow for a top stand off or scrum half a bit small for a loose forward, suspect his best position will probably be loose forward over time. Thought he really showed what he could do on Saturday
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| Loose forward may well be Walker's best position but it is no coincidence that Ashurst had his best game for ages when he managed 80 minutes without a hospital pass.
Walker's reading of a game, passing and kicking are all better than Miller's though Miller certainly has greater pace. We should remember that we all though Neil Fox and Nigel Wright were lacking in pace but their reading of a game gave them a head start in most situations.
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| If Miller were to leave, who could we realistically replace him with? They'd have to be within our budget, want to come here and be ready now. I can't think of anyone.
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| Quote ="imwakefieldtillidie"If Miller were to leave, who could we realistically replace him with? They'd have to be within our budget, want to come here and be ready now. I can't think of anyone.'"
Walker, but not yet.
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| Isn't Millers contract up at the end of the season along with quite a few more.
I like Miller and he gets stuck in but he doesn't back himself enough and as a result does throw some hospital passes out.
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| Quote ="vastman"Walker, but not yet.'"
And that's where we're at. Miller is better than any half available to us at this moment in time.
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