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| Quote ="Mr. Zucchini Head"Thanks for that vasty, I had just about managed to erase that one from my memory. I'll have nightmares now!
My main concern for this weekends game as a Hull fan is how much the Warrington game will take out of us given its also a 5 day turnaround. However, if we show the same attitude as we have in our other games we should get the job done. I really can't believe Chester is still in a job. You have a much better squad than your results over the last 18 months suggest. But if you can just keep being terrible for one more week before you give Agar the job that would be much appreciated
Its a shame about Johnstone, but good to see him being looked after.'"
How many more coaches should we get form Hull, we've already had Agar, Webster, Chester and Last.
I think that may be the problem
Maybe we need a coach form "the dark side" to turn our fortunes around, this trait of wanting to employ coaches from Hull (and KR) just isn't working.
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| Quote ="Mr. Zucchini Head"I meant Andy Last. I'm getting my ex Hull coaches mixed up
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Last may be ok, just as long as we dont get Agar back
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| Quote ="vastman"Sorry about that
My point to Mr 6 was not won and lost more performances. For some reason, whenever Hull turn up we generally play and even when we lose on most occasions it's not by much.
I have no idea why, maybe goes back to 2004.
Anyway normally confident against yourselves but not this time I'm afraid.
In the past, our teams have usually responded positively to defeats and criticism, this lot just seem to accept it and do nothing. Very worrying.'"
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| Quote ="Luppylad"The problem with playing rocky at 9 isnt avout the attack but a hooker isnt just about attack they have big defensive duties too'"
Agreed but being in the middle doesn't allow attackers to gain much momentum, especially if the defensive line speed is good, which along with other players either side in the middle means more support and less space...there's a lot of traffic goes down the middle which is why hookers like houghton make so many tackles...in theory it should make tackling easier...plus he'd be quicker out of the markers to put more pressure on kickers
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| That said I also agree with giving Bowes a chance as he's gone well when he's played
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| Quote ="steve1g"That said I also agree with giving Bowes a chance as he's gone well when he's played'"
Doesn’t look like Chester thinks he’s ready for a spell on the bench yet. Despite us having only 1 recognised 9 he still can’t get a gig. Maybe injured but seems strange if so. The little I’ve seen of him he offers fast distribution at least which is one thing we lack.
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| Quote ="Trojan Horse"Doesn’t look like Chester thinks he’s ready for a spell on the bench yet. Despite us having only 1 recognised 9 he still can’t get a gig. Maybe injured but seems strange if so. The little I’ve seen of him he offers fast distribution at least which is one thing we lack.'"
But he will put a 17/18 year old prop in the squad after realesing 2 in last week (all bi it 1 on loan)
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| Quote ="Luppylad"But he will put a 17/18 year old prop in the squad after realesing 2 in last week (all bi it 1 on loan)'"
Happy to see Sam in the squad. He shows some real enthusiasm and energy so I hope he gets a shot on Friday in front of the Sky cameras.
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| Quote ="Wollo-Wollo-Wollo-Wayoo"Happy to see Sam in the squad. He shows some real enthusiasm and energy so I hope he gets a shot on Friday in front of the Sky cameras.'"
I agree, I thought he looked lively in the Dewsbury friendly, you know what they say, if your good enough your old enough.
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| Quote ="steve1g"Agreed but being in the middle doesn't allow attackers to gain much momentum, especially if the defensive line speed is good, which along with other players either side in the middle means more support and less space...there's a lot of traffic goes down the middle which is why hookers like houghton make so many tackles...in theory it should make tackling easier...plus he'd be quicker out of the markers to put more pressure on kickers'"
Nope. If you are struggling to tackle in the busy area it causes holes and breaks. It isn't easier.
I agree we need better distribution but Hampshire would just cause the opposite problem to Crowther.
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| Hull seem to be approaching this game as a major test. They intend to stick with the same side that played Wire. Hodgson sees it as another bridge to cross and will give him a better insight in to the players ability and endurance.
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| Quote ="lampyboy"Hull seem to be approaching this game as a major test. They intend to stick with the same side that played Wire. Hodgson sees it as another bridge to cross and will give him a better insight in to the players ability and endurance.'"
Play for 60 minutes they should be fine as we can only do 50!
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| Quote ="lampyboy"Hull seem to be approaching this game as a major test. They intend to stick with the same side that played Wire. Hodgson sees it as another bridge to cross and will give him a better insight in to the players ability and endurance.'"
It’s seems pretty simple to most of us at Hull, whilst always respectful of the two back to back challenge cup victories against Wire then Wigan at Wembley, and a couple of near misses of GF appearances, Radders time had come, enter BH and the new coach has almost immediately changed the psyche of the whole organisation.
It’s early days, but players seem to have a new lease of life, a breath of fresh air, we are a long way of being the best in the competition, but the improvement is astonishing,
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| Quote ="lampyboy"Hull seem to be approaching this game as a major test. They intend to stick with the same side that played Wire. Hodgson sees it as another bridge to cross and will give him a better insight in to the players ability and endurance.'"
Hull have made one change to squad they had against Wire for Trinity game, Ligi Sao returns from injury,Jack Brown serving a one match ban. Should be some tired bodies in Hull side last 20 mins.
Problem is Trinity haven't looked good for a full 80 minutes in a match so far, .just hope they don't drop away themselves last twenty, might be in with a chance if we put effort in for full 80 minutes.
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| Let's be honest every other club would target Hull after the wire game and a short turn round.
If we haven't got a squad to run Hull ver close and possibly win them maybe the club will need to look at what direction they want to take.
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| Quote ="PopTart"Nope. If you are struggling to tackle in the busy area it causes holes and breaks. It isn't easier.
I agree we need better distribution but Hampshire would just cause the opposite problem to Crowther.'"
We'll have to agree to disagree but in my book it should be easier to tackle someone running front on at you that's only run 5 yards and is still building up pace than someone who's in full flow after running 15-20 yards out wide and has more room to move in.
I do agree that tired legs create gaps...and Crowther has missed tackles in the middle as has everyone else when fatigue creeps in...but that is where the coaches should be spotting which players are fatigued and ready to be replaced and manage that...it's also why you bring your impact sub on against tired legs...that's the reason I'm putting this suggestion forward as an option to be considered...anything to change the 'same old' that appears to be getting dished up for the 4th or 5th season in a row
Other teams do it so why not us...just makes sense to maximise what you have, especially when you haven't got much to start with
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| Quote ="steve1g"We'll have to agree to disagree but in my book it should be easier to tackle someone running front on at you that's only run 5 yards and is still building up pace than someone who's in full flow after running 15-20 yards out wide and has more room to move in.
I do agree that tired legs create gaps...and Crowther has missed tackles in the middle as has everyone else when fatigue creeps in...but that is where the coaches should be spotting which players are fatigued and ready to be replaced and manage that...it's also why you bring your impact sub on against tired legs...that's the reason I'm putting this suggestion forward as an option to be considered...anything to change the 'same old' that appears to be getting dished up for the 4th or 5th season in a row
Other teams do it so why not us...just makes sense to maximise what you have, especially when you haven't got much to start with'"
So I get your point. It is easier to tackle someone head on than how you tackle out wide, in the sense that you don't have to chase them. But it hurts more. Tires you out more. And causes a problem if the players outside you have to cover you...... Which is why our wingers get left in no man's land.
Half backs make good Hooker but they have to prepare.
Powell at Wigan started as a 7. But he had to bulk up to make the switch. Didn't happen over night. I think Lowes did too.
When Robbie Paul tried to step in he got battered until he could prepare in the off season. Talks about it in his book.
So Hampshire could make a great Hooker, but he'll need a lot of prep to make it work.
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| I think we're not a million miles apart, other examples are Leuluai, Bobby Goulding and McShane at Cas who fills in at 6 or 7 when needs arise...the McShane example probably best illustrates the point I'm clumsily trying to make in that Cas are maximising what they have but we're not.
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| Quote ="steve1g"I think we're not a million miles apart, other examples are Leuluai, Bobby Goulding and McShane at Cas who fills in at 6 or 7 when needs arise...the McShane example probably best illustrates the point I'm clumsily trying to make in that Cas are maximising what they have but we're not.'"
It also depends on how any said player performs for our club as opposed to then leaving for another one............
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| I actually think we could win tomorrow but unfortunately I always do the day before.
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| Past that I think,how many will we lose by and what will be Mr Chesters excuse
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| Quote ="alegend"Past that I think,how many will we lose by and what will be Mr Chesters excuse'"
Full strength Hull v patched up Trinity.
IF Hull dont win, there really would be something wrong.
Chester cannot be hammered for Trinity getting beaten tomorrow, unless we capitulate in the 2nd half (again).
Win or lose, we have to play for 80 minutes and be committed to the cause - minimum.
Yes, we al want a win but, most can cope if the effort is there and we dont crumble like a pack of cheap biscuits in the 2nd half.
Hull are a big side, with some real quality.
The league table is already starting to take shape, with 4 winless clubs, 4 unbeaten clubs and 3 who have just one victory.
Leigh or Salford will gain their first win in this round but, for Trinity, right now, we need try and be competitive, which will stand us in good stead when we play those in the bottom half of the league.
A victory against Hull would be a huge bonus. Let's hope for a miracle.
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"Full strength Hull v patched up Trinity.
IF Hull dont win, there really would be something wrong.
[uChester cannot be hammered for Trinity getting beaten tomorrow,[/u unless we capitulate in the 2nd half (again).
Win or lose, we have to play for 80 minutes and be committed to the cause - minimum.
Yes, we al want a win [ubut, most can cope if the effort is there and we dont crumble like a pack of cheap biscuits in the 2nd half.[/u
Hull are a big side, with some real quality.
The league table is already starting to take shape, with 4 winless clubs, 4 unbeaten clubs and 3 who have just one victory.
Leigh or Salford will gain their first win in this round but, for Trinity, right now, we need try and be competitive, which will stand us in good stead when we play those in the bottom half of the league.
A victory against Hull would be a huge bonus. Let's hope for a miracle.'"
Therein lies the problem. We shouldn’t have to settle for the bare minimum.
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| Quote ="alegend"Past that I think,how many will we lose by and what will be Mr Chesters excuse'"
Effort was good but too many players out and we played dumb at times but theres positives to take
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