Yes but that’s with hindsight, when we started we had to believe we’d turned a corner and until the second half on Thursday I was hopeful.

That second half in all honesty was one of the most depressing moments I’ve experienced in 30 years of supporting.

Even more of a reason why we fans don’t throw in the towel like our gutless team does (with the odd exceptions).

Can’t tell you how disgusted I am with certain so called RL players. I could have happily given up on Thursday but I won’t. There is so much still wrong with the team obviously but sod them we are the club.

well hang on a minute vasty i honestly thought there was plenty of effort the other night, after pre season for Chester to come out with we are where we are and our attitude was poor was utter rubbish. We had quite a few opportunities to stack some points up but couldn’t and those lack of points put the pressure back on us. He puts them
Out there to play to his systems and he’s the boss, his systems, shape and style of play have not changed for years. We have more or less the same team and an ageing team at that so how anyone thinks we have a top quality side, described by some as our best squad in super league is beyond me. The effort was there but their quality came through we simply weren’t good enough over the full 80. Do we change things and learn by our mistakes no not at all but that is Chester’s job

you seem to think I've given up, far from it I thought the first half had a great deal of effort but lacked something special to break their defense, that little bit of different direction coming on angles no one did, the second half their heads went down enough said

There's a mental block that they have to overcome and I hate saying it but kear had that in abundance to encourage players to preform , that's what's needed you can make the modest of players actually look like they are worth their weight in gold

I'm surprised that you see it that way. Whilst acknowledging our shortcomings with the ball the intensity in defence we showed in the first 50 minutes pleasantly surprised me. The game had an NRL feel about it such was the physicality we showed (unusually). When Chester attacked their attitude as the first comments in his interview I wanted to throttle him. Yet you see it completely massively differently and I would say you are usually a pretty calm headed analyst of it all (as I would like think I am

). Who in particular do you think wasn't putting it in in the second half?

I think you are chopping and changing a bit there, I agree that Chester isn't getting the best out of them in some ways but if you are saying the quality isn't there what do you expect? I think there is quality in there and certainly enough to not be relegation fodder and enough to do better with. Thing is if he keeps coming out with the things he does in interviews nobody will buy into anything he wants to do

Fair point and one of the reasons I didn’t name names, because I’m not sure tbh.

I suspect it’s a collective thing which is why it’s so sporadic.

However I do now believe that somewhere in the mix there is a deep issue.

Remember though effort is not just physical it’s mental and it the mentality that’s missing. Put simply we lack the spirit to win at all let alone scrap for two points and scrapping for two points is what’s kept us in SL.

It’s as if over the past 18 month we’ve transformed into a team that simply goes through the motions expecting it to come right and I think the cat is running out of lives with that attitude.

If we respond as we have in the past I’ll happily back down.

Finally I wasn’t even going to post on the match I only did so because despite the unnecessary criticism of the leaflet drop from snowie, let’s be honest he has a massive point. Is the Trinity of this moment worthy of being advertised as a product anyone would wish to buy?

From a purely business perspective it would be a no in anyone’s book. The product simply isn’t fit for purpose. It’s not the losing it’s the way we are losing.

Thankfully RL is not a real business and in two weeks the whole thing may be different. So on balance we take the risk and we deliver everyone of those leaflets.

Up the Trin

No it’s the players job, this isn’t Some under 11’s team, these are pro players.

I’m not a huge CC fan but blaming him is lame as it usually is with the coach.

It’s the players end of, they gave up in the last 30 and stopped doing even the basics, how the hell is that the fault of the coaching staff

This is such a British mentality and is why we never beat the Aussies. In the NRL that defeat would be put firmly at the feet of the players and they would be held accountable. In Oz players take responsibility.

This time last year Westerman allegedly told fans in a pub that most of the Trinity team were not up to it. He didn’t say the coaches he specifically said the players.
He shouldn’t have been so indiscreet but hell he wasn’t wrong was he.

At the time I thought he was wrong but now when you see him a genuinely talented player desperately trying to make things happen you realise that even in the twighlight of his career he’s in a different class. So what does that make the rest of the players in SL?

I really hope I’m wrong, few have shown more loyalty to both team and coach than me but I now fear the worst. Truth is it wasn’t random it was so predictable. Forty minutes of effort but with little guile and no reward. The opposition get a sniff and we collapse. Same script for 18 month and I don’t buy that the coach is responsible for that. I know it’s a heresy but I blame the players. totally.

I see your point and see both sides of the point.

As for unpaid volunteers, I don’t think you’re alone. When I worked there, there were a few older blokes there, who I believe did odd jobs that were unpaid, and were voluntary. They used to have a little room on the western terrace. One, as I recall, was called Al, and I think another was called Broughie, but I think there were a couple more, who’s names escape me.

You miss the point, as snowie says he hasn’t fallen out with anyone it’s just fan fatigue.

Don’t use this to pints score, three directors and 4000 fans are not always going to see eye to eye, there will always be fall outs.

I know big al and his fallout was a shame but he’s moved on. I also imagine 6 years on MC would have handled things differently but we all learn.

The present is all that matters for now.

Vasty if you want to blame the players that’s fair dos and you say the coach is not responsible but answer me a few points
Why have no players improved at our club in a few years
Why is the attack still blunt and unchanged for years
Why do we continuously make the same mistakes in defence over and over again, jamming in on the wings for a start
Why buy Danny brough call him the final piece of the jigsaw then not get him into areas or give him the personnel to use his talents
But above all why does he keep throwing his players under a bus.
He’s the coach and he puts them on the field and if he can’t do it and 8 from 42 turns into 16 from 84 then he should be replaced.
He recruited these players he resigned these players so obviously he’s got faith in these players. Give them jobs to do and organise them and if not replace them.

I think I know who you mean EW, I was talking to one about 5 years ago, and I think he was trying to get me on board, but sadly, dodgy knees and back from all the years of site work, I refused.

Back to the point of marketing, I don't think there as financially bad off as they were, and for me, in this day and age, it should be down to the club. We pay a lot for our season tickets and merchandise etc.

Personally, I wouldn't initially throw a load of money into it, maybe invest little and often, just in case loads gets put in, but little comes out of it.

I think back to my life, pre retirement, working in schools. If OFSTED came in and found the kids were under achieving it would be an issue of leadership and management. If the Head tried to blame the children or the teachers s/he would be laughed out of school. The obvious question would be "Well, you're the boss, what are you doing about it?" If the inspectors followed up with, "Yes, you said that 3 years ago and nothing's changed" there would be serious questions asked about the Head's ability to cause a change and a new Head would be almost certain
Harsh but true - the buck stops with the boss

Sorry but that’s the worst analogy I’ve ever read. So you think 30 year old men are children do you? In that case nobody in any job is responsible for anything.

Here’s your analogy turned on it’s head, Highly paid surgeon chops off wrong leg of patient because he wasn’t concentrating. He stays where he is but Matt Hancock gets sacked because the buck stops with him.

Since the end of WW2 huge numbers of British people have dissolved themselves of personal responsibility for there own actions. This is why we are no longer a super power, just another dot on the map.

Still think your theory holds true? Or are you seriously suggesting it’s only the bosses who are to blame yet the humble artisan is only ever a victim? That to me is an utter crock.

vasty you called for Chester to replaced last season then we Win a couple at the end of the season and all of a sudden everything is ok. You admitted he was getting nothing out of them and we were going no where so now it’s not him it’s the players, I’m confused. I don’t know if you’ve seen my reply on the previous page but I asked you a few questions

You’re very good at putting words in to people’s mouths and twisting their comments.
I didn’t say the teachers have no responsibility (or are the “victims” - how stupid is that) or that they should stay in their jobs. The whole OFSTED/accountability model is gash - it focuses on the wrong things in schools but the central point remains - the whole point of being in a leadership position is to get the best out of people to achieve success. If you can’t get the best out of your people perhaps you’re in the wrong job. Your analogy of the surgeon is, to quote you, “an utter crock”. If the surgeon had made one mistake he would have to take the consequences. But if he’d been cutting the wrong limbs off for years then, yes I would expect the bosses to be taking responsibility for allowing the situation to continue.
If the buck doesn’t stop with the boss, what’s the point of having a boss?

I am and I know you didn’t mean it exactly like that but it was a poor analogy which I had to challenge. You’re not totally wrong but neither am I and I have no wish to fall out with you over it.

Everybody needs to take responsibility and the buck stops with them all. Children I can forgive, grown men not so much.

FWIW it’s too late or too early whichever way you view it to be sacking or recruiting anyone. The coaches AND the players all have to take responsibility equally and sort it, there is no magic bullet I’m afraid.

Just had a text from MC.

He’s received £550 which sounds right.

He’s very grateful and passes that on to you all.

He like us is frustrated after Thursday, it’s hurting everyone.

Me taking now, maybe I’ve been harsh on the players also. As the song says ‘rip it up and start again’.

Again though thanks to all who contributed it’s a great effort.

Hurting it’s bloody more than that some fans say oh well we’re playing Wigan or st .,Leeds tops sides well my response is bullsh££t they’ve got 13 players 2 legs 2 arms 1 head ,were soft,nieve,no fight,no aggression, ,no passion some players need to shown the door ,too many players are too old and not good enough to be playing,change is a must now or relegation is on the horizon,let’s be honest only trinity would leave this terrible situation we’re in ,for what the fans have been put through over the last 2/3 years they want knighting

What is the target again?

Out of curiosity, how is Big Al these days? Does he stil watch Wakefield?

I don’t miss the point at all, I get where he was coming from, regarding volunteering, and that’s why I brought up Al and Broughie, and I get what you’re doing, but nobody is point scoring.

I think regarding Al, your getting mixed up with big Al, who used to post on here. Two entirely different people.

I spoke with him earlier, he no longer watches them, and has no intention to either, following the falling out he had with the club

It's impossible to fall out with "the club". Probably more accurate to say individuals. If I was in that position I would prefer to be like one or two on here, carry on watching the team but simultaneously hating said individual's guts.



Born a Trinity fan die a Trinity fan.

Quite possibly, but in all honesty, I don’t know what kicked off, and I don’t tend to get involved in other people’s disputes.

I don’t think he’s the first, or won’t be the last one, if so, to fall out with someone at the club.

I know makes Covid look a doddle, come on a bit of perspective please.